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To: ForYourChildren

I don’t know what is the correct way to go on this. What I do know is, WTF doesn’t the Republicans have this thing ironed out after using the issue as campaign fodder for 8 years? GOP, stands for losing losers from losertown USA>


4 posted on 03/07/2017 7:09:09 PM PST by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: Glad2bnuts
I took a lot of sh!t right here in 2009-2010 when I predicted that the Republicans in Congress had no interest in repealing ObamaCare.

I hate being right about these things.

Having said that .. it's good to see this kind of reaction from a Kentucky House member. I've said all along that I see Rand Paul as a very, very important player in getting the right bill in order.

10 posted on 03/07/2017 7:15:36 PM PST by Alberta's Child (President Donald J. Trump ... Making America Great Again, 140 Characters at a Time)
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To: Glad2bnuts
WTF doesn’t the Republicans have this thing ironed out after using the issue as campaign fodder for 8 years?

The proper bill has long since been crafted. This isn't it.

17 posted on 03/07/2017 7:32:57 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER (The fear of stark justice sends hot urine down their thighs.)
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To: Glad2bnuts

[What I do know is, WTF doesn’t the Republicans have this thing ironed out after using the issue as campaign fodder for 8 years? GOP, stands for losing losers from losertown USA>]

Because they had no intention of repealing Obamacare. Their corporate lobbyists love it.


24 posted on 03/07/2017 7:40:30 PM PST by headstamp 2 (Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: Glad2bnuts

Get corporate class out of health care. Their commitment is to share holders and big management salaries.

Government bureaucrats overseeining medical care are just as objectionable with drone like minds
ruining lives..

Medicine as a business is killing people.

Charitable insurance companies, like original Blue Cross Blie shield worked better with much less intrusion into doctor patient relationship.

Donald get Ryan out!


36 posted on 03/07/2017 8:00:42 PM PST by amihow
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To: Glad2bnuts

It is surprising, isn’t it ? No plan that doesn’t primarily benefit health care providers and insurance companies at tax payer expense.

The tax credit is nothing but a welfare scheme to benefit insurance companies. They say the goal is to give individuals who purchase insurance the same tax reduction that businesses get when they provide for their employees, but that would be done by making insurance tax deductible, not by refundable fixed-amount tax credits. The dirty little reason they want the tax credit is that DEDUCTIONS only help people who actually PAY INCOME TAXES while tax credits go to anyone, and they really want to subsidize people who don’t even pay income taxes to begin with.

Medicaid and Medicare between them mean the government is already paying for health care of 75 million Americans, and it is all done on a fee-for-services scheme that incentivizes health care providers to perform (or at least bill for) as many tests and procedures as they can. It also creates a lot of make-work for government and provider office employees to handle the billing and payments.

Tax credits to insurance companies do nothing to change that incentive for health care providers, and neither would tax deductions. Changing Medicare and Medicaid to the HMO model where the health care provider is paid a fixed amount per year and obligated to provide whatever care is necessary DOES disincentivize excess testing and procedures, yet that never seems to come up in these plans. Just be sure you have co-pays to discourage hypochondriacs from overusing.

The government could then offer enrollment into this combined Medicaid/Medicare plan to people regardless of age or poverty level if they have pre-existing conditions or high risks that make premiums from private insurers cost more than 5% of their income, by paying that 5% of income. That would remove the high-risk people from private insurers’ risk pools and lower the cost for everyone else. It would still cost tax payer money, but nowhere near as much as these tax credits would.


61 posted on 03/07/2017 10:53:57 PM PST by Kellis91789 (We hope for a bloodless revolution, but revolution is still the goal.)
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