Notwithstanding any other law, the President, through the Attorney General, may authorize electronic surveillance without a court order
Perhaps, and if that is the case they are in bigger trouble.
I’m sure you’re right, and if that’s the case, then it would behoove Congress to investigate all of the FISA requests submitted by the Obama Administration, to ascertain the validity of those requests. In other words, how many other times did they go beyond what was in the approved request? If they did it with Trump, you know they did it before, but weren’t caught. I’d most definitely like to know in the case of James Rosen, if they were specifically granted the right to include his parents in the tap.
A guest on Hannitys radio just claimed that all citizens are under surveillance, phone and email records are being stored in a mass data base covering many years of historically. Therefore, Clapper and Comey by saying Obama didn’t order it, they are weaseling their way out by omitting it is the data analysis and investigation , which is required by to be authorized by a judge is separate from the collection that they believe they have legacy ongoing authorization, Hannitys guest went on to claim , that even without a court authorization , technically feasible without a judge , yet not legal..
Obama and his henchmen only gave the “law” lip-service when it suited them. They were first and foremost lawless in most of their actions. Fast and furious, IRS-gate, Benghazi gun running and the Obamacare con job, just to name a few examples.
So much was done secretly that was illegal we may never be able to sort it all out.
This scandal further illustrates that if the dreaded hildebeast would have won, they would now be onto the next stages of implementing a 1960’s East German style government to replace our beloved Constitution.
The swamp is worse than most can imagine.
God bless and guide our President Trump.
I see three possibilities:
1. There was a FISA warrant and if we’re lucky it will become public (even though they are normally sealed)
2. There was a warrant that was signed by the AG (the crooked Loretta Lynch) authorizing the survillance without the FISA court’s approval. I’m no lawyer but the pertinent law is 50 USC 1805 that makes it seem that this is possible. Even wikipedia says there are exceptions to FISA authorization “with approval of the AG”. But even in this case there would be a paper trail.
3. There was no warrant and the surveillance was illegal as you suggest. If so, we may never know the truth because there would be no paper trail.
Since it’s a virtual certainty that the intercept was done on a digital line, there has to be an order authorizing the phone company, cable company, ISP, etc to enable data from the devices under surveillance to be sent to the monitoring location. They do this all the time (lawful intercepts for law enforcement purposes) and there’s a prodedure. You can’t just slip Louie the tech at the phone company a few bucks and have him turn on a wiretap. The procecure has checks and balances and is carefully controlled to preserve the integrity of the evidence that is collected. That means there will be a paper trail, although it may take a special prosecutor to uncover it. Paging Rudy....
Yeah, it’s odd. The President can order a FISA tap even without a warrant, so long as it’s ostensibly against a foreigner, which of course they would claim it was (the Russians).
I also thought about a rogue operation, Jim. They were insuring Hillary’s victory and believed they would never pay a price for anything they did. Oops.
Agreed...
A Grand Jury needs to be instituted ASAP. This is a constitutional crisis. I hope Sessions gets on this immediately. American Patriots need to follow this closely and follow up with our Senators and Representatives.
A former NSA guy was just on Hannity and said the NSA and the whole Intelligence Community was basically at the behest of Obama and monitors every phone call, email, you name it on every American.
We knew this was going to happen when the Patriot Act was passed.
The NSA guy also said he knew a former STASI guy and he said our system would have been a dream system for the STASI. Here it was just waiting for a guy like Obama.
Since day 1 I have said the fact they are concerned about a “Legal” intrusion is a frigen joke.
Funny you mention this...I just turned on Mark Levin’s show for first time in a long time....and your point is exactly what he’s discussing..
Are they scrambling to forge a copy as we speak
Always a curiosity, Fitzgerald pounced even before pres-elect Obama was in office.
FLASHBACK:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/politics/10Illinois.html
Illinois Governor Charged in Scheme to Sell Obama’s Seat
DEC. 9, 2008
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In November, Mr. Blagojevich asserted to an adviser, the affidavit says, that he knew whom Mr. Obama wanted named as his successor — described in the affidavit as Senate Candidate 1, a reference apparently to Valerie Jarrett, a senior adviser to Mr. Obama — but cursed him in apparent frustration that “they’re not willing to give me anything except appreciation.”
Ms. Jarrett later took her name out of consideration for the post.
http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/SmartHome/story?id=6435848&page=1
How Did Feds Listen In on Blagojevich?
Dec. 11, 2008
**”Obama’s goal, according to a close family friend, is to oust Trump from the presidency either by forcing his resignation or through his impeachment.”**
"I ask again, "Was the whole thing about having allegations about Russian intrusion into our election all about covering up the fact that the Democrats were wire-tapping Trump, and other Republicans, already? But, to avoid a Watergate scenario, in case it was found out, they could simply attach it to the Russian influence allegations? Was the plan to point fingers at the GOP and Russia being in cahoots with each other dreamed up so as to explain away illegal, Watergate-style wiretapping, so that it would be easier to get away with it in case the reality of what the Democrats were doing got out there?"
"That makes the bugging of Trump, and other Republicans, a larger cover-up than Watergate, because the Democrats consciously created the "Russia is in collusion with Trump and the Republicans" narrative to cover-up their own illegal wire-tapping activities."
Grand Juries for Obama, Hillary, Clapper, Brennan, Lerner and assorted other Obama Administration cronies who Broke The Law. Damn it, are we a nation of laws or not? This precedent thing has to be dealt with. If they all walk, our Sacred Republic is doomed.
Go Trump, go Sessions, go Rudy and anyone else who can help root these people out. Draft Christie? He's a fighter too. Get Jay Sekulow, Mark Levin, Christie, Rudy and other patriots officially involved at the WH or to help Sessions? Fight and bring real Justice back to America.
The Obama Administration tried to get a FISA warrant in June...and it was denied.
Now, possibly they played by the rules, developed more “evidence” (which could simply have been the testimony of some foreign intelligence operative who hated Trump), and then went back with that and a more narrowly tailored warrant request in October.
Maybe.
Or, alternatively, they could have started the wiretap in June ANYWAY, then developed more evidence (which they would have necessarily had to disguise as having fallen into their lap) to get the warrant in October.
Either way, they did get the October warrant. That is not so much the problem (though, as shown above, it could have involved lawbreaking). No, my problem is that even WITH the warrant, they found NOTHING on Trump after some period of time...AND CONTINUED LISTENING. It is my understanding that FISA wiretapping is very tightly controlled (because it is domestic and done by outward-looking intelligence agencies), so that once they found no evidence of the “crime” that they were looking for, THEY SHOULD HAVE STOPPED, IMMEDIATELY. But, they did not do so, thus violating the FISA warrant and a whole host of laws.