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What they're all missing is [the possibility that] there was no valid FISA warrant

Posted on 03/06/2017 2:20:05 PM PST by Jim Robinson

It's obviously not the first crime committed by the lawless Obama administration, er, democrat crime family. Obama, Bill Clinton, Hillary, Lynch, Holder, Clapper, Comey, Lerner, et al, are all lawless criminals.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: wiretapping
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To: Jim Robinson

Always a curiosity, Fitzgerald pounced even before pres-elect Obama was in office.

FLASHBACK:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/09/us/politics/10Illinois.html

Illinois Governor Charged in Scheme to Sell Obama’s Seat
DEC. 9, 2008
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In November, Mr. Blagojevich asserted to an adviser, the affidavit says, that he knew whom Mr. Obama wanted named as his successor — described in the affidavit as Senate Candidate 1, a reference apparently to Valerie Jarrett, a senior adviser to Mr. Obama — but cursed him in apparent frustration that “they’re not willing to give me anything except appreciation.”

Ms. Jarrett later took her name out of consideration for the post.

http://abcnews.go.com/TheLaw/SmartHome/story?id=6435848&page=1

How Did Feds Listen In on Blagojevich?

Dec. 11, 2008


101 posted on 03/06/2017 3:32:24 PM PST by maggief
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To: abigkahuna

Ding! Ding! We have a winner ...


102 posted on 03/06/2017 3:32:32 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
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To: arthurus

You need to get rid of the inability to fire them


103 posted on 03/06/2017 3:35:26 PM PST by xzins (Retired US Army chaplain. Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory.)
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To: arthurus

He could become a citizen of the U.K. But he is today a citizen of Indonesia. Indonesia would tell you that. Of course, Kenya might still hand him citizenship as well.

We can’t stop other countries from calling any of our Presidents citizens of their land. But we can question loyalties of our candidates. No one ever questioned his.

My conclusion about his Canadian birth was like solving a puzzle. It fit Occam’s razor and none of the other wild explanations of foreign birth were as simple and obvious as that one.

He does resemble his half brother(s) of Obama Sr, so I do think that was his daddy.


104 posted on 03/06/2017 3:37:40 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: drewh

If that happens, I’m going to say it warrants both a Bombshell! and a Boom!!!


105 posted on 03/06/2017 3:38:56 PM PST by bigbob (People say believe half of what you see son and none of what you hear - M. Gaye)
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To: All

The whole “narrative” was probably dishonest and flawed from the start. One article (sorry don’t remember where at the moment) said that CIA’s Brennan started the whole thing back in spring 2016 when he received a report from the Baltics that Russian money was going to the Trump campaign.

Think of how ridiculous this idea is, multi-billionaire Trump had not the slightest NEED for any Russian money AND (of course) such a thing would be the kiss of death if ever revealed.

So on the basis of a totally implausible and probably concocted tale (think of the “Golden Showers” b.s. in the notorious “dossier”), CIA’s Brennan gets a 6-agency intel task force assembled, leads to the FISA warrant requests and more, etc.

This is not to say there may not have been some kind of Russian person(s) who wanted to get connected to the Trump campaign, etc. All sorts of foreign entities are trying to make good contacts in US circles of power all the time. BUT, the idea that Team Trump would knowingly accept any money or support for the campaign from Russian sources has always been ridiculous in the extreme.

Now the Clintonistas, on the other hand..... Russia, China, all sorts of shady money and characters flow in.


106 posted on 03/06/2017 3:41:46 PM PST by Enchante (Libtards are enemies of true civilization!)
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To: Jim Robinson

**”Obama’s goal, according to a close family friend, is to oust Trump from the presidency either by forcing his resignation or through his impeachment.”**


107 posted on 03/06/2017 3:41:54 PM PST by frnewsjunkie
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To: Jim Robinson
From: Trump Bugged by Obama a Bigger-than-Watergate Cover-Up

"I ask again, "Was the whole thing about having allegations about Russian intrusion into our election all about covering up the fact that the Democrats were wire-tapping Trump, and other Republicans, already? But, to avoid a Watergate scenario, in case it was found out, they could simply attach it to the Russian influence allegations? Was the plan to point fingers at the GOP and Russia being in cahoots with each other dreamed up so as to explain away illegal, Watergate-style wiretapping, so that it would be easier to get away with it in case the reality of what the Democrats were doing got out there?"

"That makes the bugging of Trump, and other Republicans, a larger cover-up than Watergate, because the Democrats consciously created the "Russia is in collusion with Trump and the Republicans" narrative to cover-up their own illegal wire-tapping activities."

Grand Juries for Obama, Hillary, Clapper, Brennan, Lerner and assorted other Obama Administration cronies who Broke The Law. Damn it, are we a nation of laws or not? This precedent thing has to be dealt with. If they all walk, our Sacred Republic is doomed.

Go Trump, go Sessions, go Rudy and anyone else who can help root these people out. Draft Christie? He's a fighter too. Get Jay Sekulow, Mark Levin, Christie, Rudy and other patriots officially involved at the WH or to help Sessions? Fight and bring real Justice back to America.

108 posted on 03/06/2017 3:42:37 PM PST by Art in Idaho (Conservatism is the only Hope for Western Civilization.)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Obama Administration tried to get a FISA warrant in June...and it was denied.

Now, possibly they played by the rules, developed more “evidence” (which could simply have been the testimony of some foreign intelligence operative who hated Trump), and then went back with that and a more narrowly tailored warrant request in October.

Maybe.

Or, alternatively, they could have started the wiretap in June ANYWAY, then developed more evidence (which they would have necessarily had to disguise as having fallen into their lap) to get the warrant in October.

Either way, they did get the October warrant. That is not so much the problem (though, as shown above, it could have involved lawbreaking). No, my problem is that even WITH the warrant, they found NOTHING on Trump after some period of time...AND CONTINUED LISTENING. It is my understanding that FISA wiretapping is very tightly controlled (because it is domestic and done by outward-looking intelligence agencies), so that once they found no evidence of the “crime” that they were looking for, THEY SHOULD HAVE STOPPED, IMMEDIATELY. But, they did not do so, thus violating the FISA warrant and a whole host of laws.


109 posted on 03/06/2017 3:46:00 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Awgie

“For the night is dark and full of terrors.”


110 posted on 03/06/2017 3:50:06 PM PST by cld51860 (Volo pro veritas)
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To: Vermont Lt

Trump can walk on over to the FISA court and take look for himself, can’t he?


111 posted on 03/06/2017 3:51:27 PM PST by Karl Spooner
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To: Jim Robinson

A very real possibility.

This is Obama we’re talking about, after all.


112 posted on 03/06/2017 3:51:47 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Vermont Lt

If there were a warrant, they would have produced it by now and the media would be trumpeting it.


113 posted on 03/06/2017 3:52:48 PM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Yaelle

I got the impression that Bongino and the other lawyer who’s name escapes me are on the Trump team. I like this alot!!!!

Been a Bongino fan for awhile.


114 posted on 03/06/2017 3:53:31 PM PST by lizma2
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To: Jim Robinson

I can believe there was no warrant.

I also currently believe that there were valid warrants for people Trump was associated with. They knew they would get Trump by collecting intel from his associates. If true itmakes what Clapper said not a direct lie.


115 posted on 03/06/2017 3:54:17 PM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Watching Obama tap dance.)
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To: KeyLargo

It’s either that or a fine and twenty years. This must be made crystal clear to anyone sitting on and considering destroying any records. Then watch the bodies accumulate. Because the Clintons don’t usually leave witnesses.


116 posted on 03/06/2017 3:54:30 PM PST by katana (It still hasn't occurred to them that Trump doesn't give a s***)
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To: bigbob

You got it. A big paper trail. And if that exists you can bet the applications were falsified and or wrought with omissions.


117 posted on 03/06/2017 3:54:52 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Yaelle

To become a citizen of Indonesia his parent(s) would have had to renounce any other citizenship. Indonesia did not then and may not now permit dual citizenship.


118 posted on 03/06/2017 3:55:29 PM PST by arthurus (.)
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To: Yaelle
But we can question loyalties of our candidates.

That's what the Natural Born Citizen clause was/is all about.

119 posted on 03/06/2017 3:56:33 PM PST by arthurus (.)
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To: nhwingut
But it’s against the law without the FISA court order... says the media.

No, you have it all wrong. It's against the law if a REPUBLICAN does it. If a Democrat does it, the law doesn't apply... says the media.

120 posted on 03/06/2017 3:58:36 PM PST by ssaftler (Hillary calls us the "alt-right". I call her and her friends the "Ctrl-Left".)
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