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To: FredZarguna

Everything you say makes perfect sense and you state the case with admirable clarity but surely what the court decided was not that the EO was wrong or misguided, it merely said that the government had not shown enough reason why the temporary ban on the implementation of the EO imposed by the Washington court should be lifted.

For the government to get a ruling overthrown and not simply wait until the lawfulness of the EO was tested in the lower court it had to prove there is an urgent need to reinstate the ban and that is the nub, they could not do so and the court upheld the temporary stay on implementation.

If you want to get a court to override a stay of execution until such time as the court gets to try a case you need to show there is an emergency.

If one listened to the squawking of the media you would be led to believe that the court had ruled the EO to be unconstitutional, it did no such thing, it simply upheld the suspension of the implementation of the ban imposed by the lower case until the legality or otherwise of the EO could be heard in that court.

I entirely agree that the ruling displayed shocking judicial over-reach but in no way did it somehow declare the EO to be unlawful or illegal, that issue has not yet been heard in a court of law.


46 posted on 02/10/2017 3:33:13 AM PST by PotatoHeadMick
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To: PotatoHeadMick
For the government to get a ruling overthrown and not simply wait until the lawfulness of the EO was tested in the lower court it had to prove there is an urgent need to reinstate the ban and that is the nub, they could not do so and the court upheld the temporary stay on implementation.

Not quite. In treating the temporary injunction as a preliminary injunction, and therefore appealable, the Ninth accepted the reasoning of the lower court that an immediate stay of the order was necessary. The Ninth's responsibility in that case was to reassert the necessity of deference to the political branches for political decisions, and to rule that the lower court erred in issuing its injunction.

Robart should have deferred to the political branches on political matters and did not. The Ninth compounded his error by reinforcing his claim that the administration failed to establish the need for the ban. Actually, given the existing case law, that requirement fell on the plaintiff, who established neither that harm to their universities was exigent, nor in fact, that actual harm even existed.

but in no way did it somehow declare the EO to be unlawful or illegal, that issue has not yet been heard in a court of law.

I agree that technically it did not do so ... yet.

But in its decision the Court justifies its failure to issue mandamus on the basis of the likelihood that the plaintiff will prevail. And therein lies the worst reasoning of the decision. If the court really believes that: States cannot argue on behalf of their citizens but can argue on behalf of their institutions as third parties to direct harm, that there are due process protections for non-US Persons, or that there are First Amendment problems with preference to persecuted minorities (who are also not US Persons) then the handwriting is clearly on the wall.

59 posted on 02/10/2017 10:30:09 AM PST by FredZarguna (And what Rough Beast, its hour come 'round at last, slouches toward Fifth Avenue to be born?)
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