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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

You’re wrong. That is not constitutionalists — that’s RINOs. The Establishment.

We’re the ones who have been fighting that. We need to put more of us in office. If you want to restrain and reduce government, then constitutionalists are the people you want. Populists aren’t going to do it. At least not fully. And we know the Establishment won’t.

Do I take it, then, that you’re perfectly fine with violating the Constitution if it suits your policy objectives? Because that’s not a conservative position.


30 posted on 02/09/2017 9:34:41 AM PST by TBP (0bama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: TBP

Lots of people are fine with violating the Constitution because their favorite politician is not a natural born citizen.


32 posted on 02/09/2017 9:40:27 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents - Know Islam, No Peace -No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: TBP
You're playing football and the other team is holding on every play.
- The officials won't call a penalty.

- You refuse to hold because it's against the rules.

Guess what? You're going to lose almost every time.
43 posted on 02/09/2017 11:18:48 AM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: TBP
You have magical thinking. I appreciate the sentiments. I also wish we could live in your world.

But we don't. The Left has no rules and we have many.

Conservatism and Constitutionalism has had ZERO major victories in a Century. And your're still advocating it?

If Conservatives can't keep men in dresses out of little girls' bathrooms, they've Conserved nothing.

If the Constitutionalists can't successfully counter-argue a right to gay marriage in the Constitution, they are irrelevant.


Example:

The Left has brought in millions of Muslims and there are places in the US now that are quite literally "not American" anymore. They resemble the Middle East.

There are huge mosques with the Call to Prayer booming through the streets. Women wearing burkas. Swarthy men with beards. Filthy streets.

Heard of Dearborn, Michigan?

According the the Constitution, that is perfectly fine. First Amendment, Freedom of Religion, right?

That's just ONE example of how the Constitutionalists are completely hamstrung by their unrealistic thinking.

The new Right, Alt Right, Trumpists, Nationalists, Populists, whatever you want to call them, say.....

NO!

Burn down the mosques, send these people BACK!

Again, I understand your thoughts. In a perfect world, we would have what you want. But the demographics in the country are not the same as they were in the early 1800s when courtly gentlemen had civil debates about the Constitution.

Identity politics have arrived. Wait 20 years. The white liberals in California will be voting Republican.

I'm not advocating it, I'm just predicting it.

44 posted on 02/09/2017 11:35:38 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: TBP

Do I take it, then, that you’re perfectly fine with violating the Constitution if it suits your policy objectives? Because that’s not a conservative position.

Yes, I'm fine with violating the Constitution if it means Western Civilization is saved.

I posted those pictures on this thread for a reason. Look at them carefully and understand that the Constitution isn't a magical solution that will save the nation or our beautiful civilization.

Please explain how to expel Islam from American without violating the First Ammendment.

Oh, I and many others, no longer consider ourselves "Conservative."

Paul Ryan, Mitt Romney, Bill Kristol, George Bush. National Review. All "Conservative."

A person can be on the "Right" and not be a "Conservative."

Conservative means losing. Over and over. No victories in decades. Who in their right mind would stay on a team like that?

46 posted on 02/09/2017 11:42:58 AM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: TBP

See my reply #47, above.


48 posted on 02/09/2017 12:13:26 PM PST by Ohioan
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