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Trump Threatens to Leave World Trade Organization
The New American ^ | 02 August 2016 | Steve Byas

Posted on 01/26/2017 7:34:59 AM PST by VitacoreVision

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To: Alberta's Child
I never thought I'd see that kind of totalitarianism here on FreeRepublic. You learn something new every day, I guess.

LOL!. You might as well say we don't have the authority to deport illegals while you're at it.

21 posted on 01/26/2017 9:55:50 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: factoryrat
In regards to the sourcing of steel pipe used for this pipeline, who supplied the pipe for the portions of the keystone that have already been installed? Was it US or foreign sourced?

The fact that you don't even know the answer to this question tells me that it doesn't even matter where it was sourced. Can you even tell me where the food you've eaten today came from?

More importantly, did the pipe used meet US engineering and safety standards? This is a critical infrastructure application, and few manufacturers in the world can even meet the specifications, let alone pass testing.

I can tell you from professional experience that national borders have very little influence on "engineering standards." If there are specifications for pipeline safety and the pipelines would have to meet those specs, then why do you care where the materials come from? Whoever can meet the specifications can provide the piping -- period.

If you want to go low foreign bidder to save a buck, or push your import business, that’s fine and all, but with the first major failure, you and your interests will be held criminally liable.

I'm sure every major player in the energy industry from Exxon/Mobil to Chevron/Texaco to Suncor to Imperial Oil to Enbridge knows this. They don't need the U.S. government to tell them this.

22 posted on 01/26/2017 10:01:22 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: trebb

As if one of those had anything to do with the other ...


23 posted on 01/26/2017 10:02:10 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child
As if one of those had anything to do with the other ...

They both happen within our borders. Now, if Trump was trying to say Canada had to use American steel and labor for their part of the pipeline, you might have a case.

He also has congressional Republicans on his side with this.

How is that totalitarian?

24 posted on 01/26/2017 10:08:20 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
You're going to tell me what I can use to build something with my own money?

That's totalitarian -- and having Congressional Republicans on board with it doesn't change a thing. This is the same bunch of Republicans that has been pushing for open borders for years, isn't it? So they are OK if I am forced to use American-made steel on my pipeline project, but they are fine if I use a bunch of illegal aliens from Mexico to build it? LOL.

25 posted on 01/26/2017 10:11:34 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child
You're going to tell me what I can use to build something with my own money?

If you don't like the contract, don't sign on with it. Make him seek someone else who wants to make a lot of money on the project.

He's not forcing any single company to contract it out - he's offering opportunities to companies who may want the job.

The pipeline was halted by Obama - gonna take new contracts to get it moving again.

26 posted on 01/26/2017 10:15:17 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb
If I'm signing the contract with you, then you can set all the terms you want.

The U.S. government isn't signing the contract for this pipeline -- is it?

27 posted on 01/26/2017 10:17:50 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: VitacoreVision

Todd is an adjunct professor at Johns Hopkins University. He is the author of The Stranger: Barack Obama in the White House. Published in 2014, the Chicago Tribune described the book as “richly sourced and deeply informed,” while Publishers Weekly called it “an even-handed, concise, and thorough account.”
Todd is also co-author, with Sheldon Gawiser, of How Barack Obama Won: A State-by-State Guide to the Historic 2008 Presidential Election, published in 2009.

Personal life
Todd resides in Arlington, Virginia, with his wife, Kristian Denny Todd, and their two children. She is a communications professional and co-founder of Maverick Strategies and Mail, which provides direct mail and consulting services for Democratic candidates and progressive causes. She was the spokesperson for the successful U.S. Senate campaign of Senator Jim Webb in 2006.

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28 posted on 01/26/2017 10:23:09 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Alberta's Child

That was more than rude.


29 posted on 01/26/2017 10:25:23 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Alberta's Child

The U.S. Government has the say about whether or not it happens and can stipulate conditions/terms to allow or deny it.


30 posted on 01/26/2017 10:25:37 AM PST by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb

So you’d be perfectly comfortable if the U.S. government imposed a condition that said every company building a pipeline in the U.S. must have 50% of its workforce comprised of women, 15% comprised of African-Americans, 20% comprised, of Hispanics, etc.?


31 posted on 01/26/2017 10:27:53 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child
It's totalitarian if you're building something with your own money on your own property.

If you're building something on someone else's property, they are perfectly within their rights to dictate the terms.

Otherwise, you are the totalitarian.

32 posted on 01/26/2017 10:28:17 AM PST by Bratch ("The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke)
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To: Bratch
It's worth noting that U.S. pipeline safety regulations have nothing to do with property ownership.

Who owns the property where the Keystone XL and Dakota pipeline projects are being built?

33 posted on 01/26/2017 10:30:32 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Sacajaweau

The pipe must meet API/ASTM specs and is tested to assure conformance

Only inferior purchasing agents get stuck with cheap inferior products.


34 posted on 01/26/2017 10:33:05 AM PST by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Macroagression melts snowflakes)
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To: Alberta's Child

You really don’t get it, do you?


35 posted on 01/26/2017 10:33:45 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Alberta's Child

That’s what I thought your response would be. Do you know where these pipeline companies source their materials? Please do tell because I’m down with some insider trading. That’s a real big order to fill, plenty of money to be made.

But hey, who needs standards when we can get this pipe cheap!
We’ll be long gone when the first oil gusher hits the prairie!

I’ve dealt with steel suppliers from all over the world. There’s maybe a handful that can produce pipe that can meet US specifications.

Your response suggests that you’re adverse to the US manufacturer clause of this memorandum. That means either you don’t live in the US, or you represent a foreign interest with a stake in this project.

Notice that I never suggested completely excluding foreign manufacturers from bidding on this order, only that very few foreign companies have the capability of meeting the requirements. That, and I’m an American, and would just prefer to have an American company do the work.


36 posted on 01/26/2017 10:35:07 AM PST by factoryrat (We reserve the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: trisham

Get what?


37 posted on 01/26/2017 10:35:36 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: factoryrat
That means either you don’t live in the US, or you represent a foreign interest with a stake in this project.

You'd be wrong in both cases.

Notice that I never suggested completely excluding foreign manufacturers from bidding on this order, only that very few foreign companies have the capability of meeting the requirements. That, and I’m an American, and would just prefer to have an American company do the work.

If you're so patriotic about it, why not just kill the pipeline project entirely -- since its sole purpose is to transport foreign oil and gas to U.S. consumers?

We have plenty of oil and gas here in the U.S. If we're going to be "America First" in our business dealings, let's not be phonies about it.

38 posted on 01/26/2017 10:39:05 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child

The condition of the KXL EO was to buy American. He was clear about it.


39 posted on 01/26/2017 10:39:17 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va
That's great. I'm not sure what that means.

In the interest of fairness, perhaps he should be ordered to tear down any of his buildings that were constructed with foreign-sourced materials?

40 posted on 01/26/2017 10:47:33 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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