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This article is at the center of a conversation I'm having with a lib-prog I work with on some community events and I thought the re-launch of FR deserves a good stirring of the group. While it's easy to pick this guy apart on multiple points, I'd like to see FReepers respond at a higher level on how such thinking is countered with successful employment of conservative principles.

Also, he refers to a J.M. Keynes quote that I didn't paste over from the article. Here it is:

"We are suffering just now from a bad attack of economic pessimism. It is common to hear people say that the epoch of enormous economic progress which characterized the 19th century is over; that the rapid improvement in the standard of life is now going to slow down — at any rate in Great Britain; that a decline in prosperity is more likely than an improvement in the decade which lies ahead of us.

I believe that this is a wildly mistaken interpretation of what is happening to us. We are suffering, not from the rheumatics of old age, but from the growing-pains of over-rapid changes, from the painfulness of readjustment between one economic period and another…”

John Maynard Keynes, Economic Possibilities for our Grandchildren (1930)

1 posted on 01/22/2017 8:36:50 AM PST by T-Bird45
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As a conservative Minnesotan..... I wouldn’t waste time articulating responses to a bunch of leftist talking points. We the people won this election.... thumbs up!


2 posted on 01/22/2017 8:43:54 AM PST by high info voter (Liberal leftists would have "un-friended" Paul Revere!)
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We need leadership to help take the world to the next level, making the full transition to digital technologies, reshaping capitalism to rebalance massive inequalities, and making big progress on climate change.

A cliche, a Logan's Run pipe dream and some Marxism.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

3 posted on 01/22/2017 8:45:55 AM PST by relictele (Principiis obsta & Finem respice - Resist The Beginnings & Consider The Ends.)
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http://cdn4.thr.com/sites/default/files/2017/01/bench_end_01.jpgEMBED.jpg


4 posted on 01/22/2017 8:49:22 AM PST by CGASMIA68
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I did not see Trump coming. I was one of those who could not believe that the America I knew, a country of decent, common-sense people, could elect a person like him.

So, first, your point of view is useless because you were, as you admit, clueless. Second your presumptions are all wrong. What has been going on in Washington DC since the election of Bill Clinton has had nothing to do with decency and common sense. It has been like yesterday's extinction burst of a march, the old ferment of vitriolic 60's radicalism repackaged in those new-fangled throw away boxes.

5 posted on 01/22/2017 8:51:09 AM PST by AndyJackson
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 photo TRUMP HAS OUR BACK text_zpsbufjzqvf.jpg

6 posted on 01/22/2017 8:52:20 AM PST by Dick Bachert (THE 4TH ESTATE HERE HAS BECOME A 5TH COLUMN. DIDN'T WE IMPRISON TOKYO ROSE???)
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reshaping capitalism to rebalance massive inequalities, and making big progress on climate change.
Forget all the psycho-babble in this article - the bottom line is the globalists want to take every dollar in the free world (primarily America) using a hoax like climate change; then they'll make everyone in the world equally broke and miserable.
A progressive's wet dream.
7 posted on 01/22/2017 8:54:44 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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It’s disjointed. Why waste time on delusional rantings.


8 posted on 01/22/2017 8:55:45 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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Two, it will be totally global and operate on a planetary scale.

I tuned out right there. Just more Utopian dreams masquerading as deep thought. Who will lead and control this global government? The writer thinks it will be someone just like him. History demonstrates that the dreamers are quickly swept away and replaced by men of action with a lust for power.

He also lost all credibility when he said that California is a economic model for the future. California is a model for bankruptcy.

9 posted on 01/22/2017 8:56:14 AM PST by usurper
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Sorry. I think that people whose thinking is that muddy and cloaked in “feel good” slogans and grandiose visions of what they are accomplishing are really not amenable to logical discourse. How about the pendulum has finally swung and people are returning to common sense having thrown off the “blather of pie in the sky social justice warriors”.

Short form, don’t hold your breath, Sunshine. Obama laid the foundation for a revival of Conservatism and real world consequences, for a return to the fundamental truths. No one could have done a better job at showing Americans and the world where the liberal vision leads.


10 posted on 01/22/2017 8:56:18 AM PST by JayGalt
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The creator of this map claims "Here's what the Electoral College map would look like if only millennials voted." This map is giving a lefty friend of mind hope for the future which, if true, supports the author's position.

11 posted on 01/22/2017 8:56:44 AM PST by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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Ahhhhhh.....

Another person writing about how their views are “inevitable”.

California is the future of the world?

Well, some people thought Jonestown was the future of the world, too.


12 posted on 01/22/2017 8:58:04 AM PST by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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There are three fundamentally different characteristics of this civilization

4.) Its run by utterly Godless globalist Criminals de-void of any conscience.

Sorry, Peter your distorted 21Century vision is just another layer of the same old Satanic cake mankind has been force-fed since time immemorial.


13 posted on 01/22/2017 8:58:58 AM PST by Gasshog (Clinton denies... Expect to see a lot of this)
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To my mind, both were driven by fear of the future and “a wildly mistaken interpretation of what is happening to us.”

Condescension is not an argument.

14 posted on 01/22/2017 8:59:37 AM PST by gogeo (But he's not a conserrrrrvative!)
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I’ve heard the “California is the future” argument many times. And it is true at this point that liberals dominate state politics to the point where people think there is something wrong with you if you are Conservative.

But a few things to consider:
1. California politics is the way it is thanks to a massive number of minorities, many of whom are illegal and relatively uneducated. Some of these have very little loyalty to this country and even less to the elites in Silicon Valley. The people who contribute to the economic engine in CA are not in this group.
2. At some point, the demands of these minorities will diverge from that of the CA economic drivers. Kind of like tectonic plates moving apart. In many ways, it already has, but these difference have been papered over. I really think it is just a matter of time before CA goes full Marxist and then these companies may discover they don’t like “The Future” so much. They may find the future looks a lot like Brazil or even Venezuela.
3. A lot of companies are fleeing CA taxes and regulation. This will lead to two very unequal classes, with very little in the middle.
4. Eventually, CA will pay a price for its singularity of thought. Maybe even a bloody price. I won’t shed any tears when that happens.

If you ever watch the movie “Elysium”, I think that paints a pretty accurate portrait of where CA might be in 2100 or so.


15 posted on 01/22/2017 9:01:24 AM PST by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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Two, it will be totally global and operate on a planetary scale.
Progressives dream of 1984 still on the march they can’t be cured never trust one or allow them into power Obama was a warning of what could happen.


16 posted on 01/22/2017 9:02:14 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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The world is in the relatively early stages of an almost inevitable transition to what can be best understood as a new 21st-century civilization. ....There are three fundamentally different characteristics of this civilization: One, it will be run totally on digital technologies, smarter and smarter, more and more interconnected computers. Two, it will be totally global and operate on a planetary scale. And three, it will have to be sustainable, in its energy usage and its impact on the planet.

They grow some mean shit in Inverness [this is not hyperbole, but truth]. Who, who spends any time in our digital technology thinks it is smarter and smarter? Who? Certainly no one who works 18/7 making sure the stuff actually works.

As a third point to this millennialism what better access to information does, why Trump got elected, is that it has taken power away from the controlling center, from the globalists and redistributed it to small communities. You in your cabin in Inverness [which sadly is no longer outside the tidal forces of Bayareanism] can get the same stuff, delivered by Fedex overnight as the guy in NY City. You can get the genuine West Texas hot sauce if you want it.

And, WTF does sustainable mean when 22,000 people attend a sustainably managed UN climate change meeting in Marrakesh contemporaneous with the 2016 election, (how many tons per person of CO2 were discharged in the atmosphere to get to that meeting)?

17 posted on 01/22/2017 9:02:19 AM PST by AndyJackson
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This is a bunch of wishful thinking. Change for the better has arrived. The left is being marginalized as it should be.They have failed.


18 posted on 01/22/2017 9:05:54 AM PST by Carry me back (Cut the feds by 90%)
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You see, here we have 2, and over here we have 2, and then right here there’s another 2!

2+2+2 = 28!

Isn’t it amazing?


22 posted on 01/22/2017 9:13:21 AM PST by SaxxonWoods (Ride To The Sound Of The Guns)
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Evil never sleeps. So yeah, we can expect the ‘rats to be around for the foreseeable future. We got some breathing room and a chance to reverse the dive into oblivion.

I remain of the belief that we have a uniparty system that while knocked back a bit, is still very powerful. Given the uniparty’s druthers, we would all be put in chains in short order. We basically pulled a ace high straight in November, and that’s a pretty rare thing. Ultimately all politics boils down to economics and if DJT and the republican majority can show that they can provide the goods, they will win for awhile. In the mean time, we need to build our redoubt while we can because like a bad cancer, the ‘rats will return.


24 posted on 01/22/2017 9:14:01 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (It's no longer Right versus left, but Americanism versus globalist scum.)
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Today California is totally run by a new generation of progressive Democrats.
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And it’s being run into the ground.


28 posted on 01/22/2017 9:21:48 AM PST by Lurkinanloomin (Natural Born Citizen Means Born Here Of Citizen Parents)
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