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1 posted on 01/15/2017 7:20:50 AM PST by Kaslin
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Saying that the “Republicans own it” if they repeal Obamacare is a shallow lie.

If the Republicans left Obamacare in place as it is they “too” would own it (even though not a single Republican voted to pass it) and already Obamacare is BROKEN and it still isn’t even fully doing its damage (each year more of the real costs are shifted to consumers).

Democrats OWN the bastard’s signature piece of legislation and they are trying to DISOWN this garbage.


2 posted on 01/15/2017 7:24:54 AM PST by a fool in paradise (The COM-Left is saddened by the death of the Communist dictator Fidel Castro. No surprise there.)
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How about replacing big government marxism with open market capitalism.

Just a thought.


3 posted on 01/15/2017 7:25:31 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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Most people get their healthcare through work. The group with the issue is those on Medicaid because of the expansion. Need to move forward with states taking costs for that. Others will just go back on regular insurance, moved to plans their carriers have already had for years.


4 posted on 01/15/2017 7:26:11 AM PST by Lopeover (The 2016 Election is about allegiance to the United States!)
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To entertain the idea that a bad law has to be replaced with “anything” when being invalidated is patent folly.

There is no basis or justification in our founding documents that says or implies this.


5 posted on 01/15/2017 7:26:50 AM PST by Gaffer
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Trump has (clearly) stated all through his campaign.

Repeal and REPLACE Obamacare.

We do not need to go back to the mess we had before Obamacare was enacted.

Obamacare was enacted BECAUSE WE HAD DONE NOTHING ABOUT THE HEALTHCARE MESS.

Healthcare is very important, to a lot of people. Very very important.

Trump said Repeal, and REPLACE.

I have been with the guy since before he even announced he was running, but this is a critical issue.

America is watching, GOP. Do not recklessly assume you can backtrack on this very important issue.

You did nothing for several decades. Nothing.

Obama may have not done what we wanted, but he did something, which is MORE THAN YOU GUYS DID.

Fix it. Fix it. Fix it.

If you repeal it, you broke it again.

Do not do that.


6 posted on 01/15/2017 7:27:02 AM PST by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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Removing a tumor is painful. Leaving it to grow is worse.


7 posted on 01/15/2017 7:28:04 AM PST by lurk (TEat)
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If you want the cost of health care to come down, you don’t need insurance reform, you need tort reform.


8 posted on 01/15/2017 7:29:32 AM PST by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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It’s the "replace" part that has everyone hung up.

Therein lies the problem with having a political class. They did not have the authority to establish Obamacare in the first place. They don't have the authority to establish a replacement.

What Congress does have is the authority and obligation to remove this unconstitutional program existing under color of law. Following that, the Several States can resume their constitutional regulation of insurance within their respective borders.

10 posted on 01/15/2017 7:32:48 AM PST by DakotaGator (Weep for the lost Republic! And keep your powder dry!!)
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It’s actually a dumb discussion. Coverage is already available for all from one of the following five: Employers, Veterans, Medicare, Medicaid, or Individual purchase. HRSC’s 9800 government paid clinics already provide lower level care, they claim, to 1 out of 13 Americans.

End ObamaCare tomorrow and all these will still exist and they existed BEFORE ObamaCare.

EVERY American will fit into one of those 5 categories, iirc.


11 posted on 01/15/2017 7:33:24 AM PST by xzins (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.)
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anyone firmly in the middle class who is comfortable with leeching off taxpayers. . .

. . .is not middle class

18 posted on 01/15/2017 7:40:13 AM PST by Oratam
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They took the money out of my pocket to pay for other’s health care and insurance.

It was a huge wealth redistribution from the middle working class to the non-working and the working poor class.

It also shifted in theory money from the young to the old, except a lot of the young just didn’t buy health insurance and were covered by their parents longer.

Hard to pay a penalty on your tax return when you don’t make enough to require a tax return in the first place.


19 posted on 01/15/2017 7:43:01 AM PST by dila813 (Voting for Trump to Punish Trumpets!)
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“They would have made a bet and lost, and they shouldn’t get to walk away from a bet just because they lost.:”

Hey, privatizing the upside and socializing the downside is a time honored American tradition. I thought you people were traditional.


23 posted on 01/15/2017 7:49:23 AM PST by ichabod1 (Make America Normal Again)
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There will be consequences...from Trump. Obamacare repealed, taking away a false entitlement. It’s not Trumos fault, the Dems own it. And food stamps and free hospital care for illegals. Trump didn’t cause any of the coming problems...he is correcting Democrat failures!


24 posted on 01/15/2017 7:50:23 AM PST by ThePatriotsFlag ( Anything FREELY-GIVEN by the government was TAKEN from someone else.)
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Healthcare in this country was the best in the world with a few gaps. There was choice and anybody hurt or unable to get coverage was billed. 0bamacare was intended to fix the gaps (and the Dem dream was to have government takeover of healthcare at some point).

Get the government out of healthcare except for Veterans (which should be privatized), Medicare and Medicaid.


32 posted on 01/15/2017 8:02:08 AM PST by kevinm13 (Manmade "Global Warming" is a HOAX! "Net Neutrality" is government takeover of the Internet.)
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Medicare went from our third most costly program to our first under Obama surpassing even the Military costs.
39 posted on 01/15/2017 8:14:06 AM PST by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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The author is a weak-minded RINO pansy.


49 posted on 01/15/2017 8:42:11 AM PST by Ray76 (DRAIN THE SWAMP)
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Wonder when people lost the logic of when born free your on you own plan your life it doesn’t come with a baby sitter.
Yes help those who can’t help them self not the slackers.


53 posted on 01/15/2017 8:50:06 AM PST by Vaduz (women and children to be impacted the most.)
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Absolutely. I have a health Share, so mostly, we are cash pay. We doctor shop, we test shop. We don’t run in at each medical problem. So should anyone else.

In every larger community (and plenty of smaller ones), there are low cost cash clinics for quick diagnoses or even when you wish a prescription (a cream, an ointment, a cough suppressant, etc).

There will be a normal medical care marketplace. Let’s make it happen. No more free ER care for anything but life saving. But prices will drop once people are paying with their own money. And catastrophic insurance will better cover the rest because people will pay for that value. When they know they WILL DIE if they don’t pay for it. And that will only take a few years. Hey, pay x% of your salary each month or if you get cancer, you’re dead.... it will catch on.


58 posted on 01/15/2017 8:58:53 AM PST by Yaelle
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I’m not saying they should die on the streets. They should get treatment. But they should have to pay for it. Maybe not all of it, but a significant portion. If they own a house, they should have to sell it. Their wages should be garnisheed until a significant but fair portion of their tab is satisfied.

I think a person should be held responsible for their bill if they don't have insurance, but they should only be responsible for the amount the hospital/health provider was willing to take as payment satisfied from the insurer.

A few years ago, I had a surgery...total bill was around $100K. That's the bill I would have received if I didn't have insurance. But the bill was satisfied by my deductible, I think $2000, and the bill was paid in full when the hospital took the payment of the insurance company of $22,000. If I as an individual, without health insurance, were responsible for the $24,000, that seems reasonable, but that's not the way it works, without insurance, I'd be responsible for the entire thing. A hospital will negotiate, but still not to the level that they accept insurance payments.

I also have had MS for years, so if I was on my own to buy health insurance, pre-Obamacare, I couldn't get anyone to write me a policy anyway. I don't really blame them for this, but I'd like to be able to a least buy a catastrophic health care policy...say $20K deductible, but for a pre-existing illness person, there was zilch, unless you purchased a policy with a rider that would exclude any expenses caused by the pre-existing illness.

Thankfully we've always had group benefits through my husband's employer. We have to pay a chunk of $ every month, but it's affordable because they've kept the deductibles fairly low.

59 posted on 01/15/2017 9:01:29 AM PST by Dawn53Fl
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I reject the liberals premise.


65 posted on 01/15/2017 11:41:02 AM PST by Secret Agent Man ( Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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