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Somehow I can't get around the fact that the belief of state control over where I buy and whom I hire --is Marxism.
1 posted on 12/22/2016 2:58:43 AM PST by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Sure they can, and have been in the millions.

Both parties have supported this.

Fortunately we have a new president elect, who will finally, once again support American jobs.


2 posted on 12/22/2016 3:05:50 AM PST by cba123 ( Toi la nguoi My. Toi bay gio o Viet Nam.)
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To: expat_panama

If you disbelieve me, ask yourself if Amazon owns the right to have you spend in 2017 at least the same amount of money shopping at that website as you spent there in 2016.

Oh but, the givernment can mandate I spend money on a product I don’t want.

Irony....


3 posted on 12/22/2016 3:07:03 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway - "Enjoy Yourself" ala Louis Prima)
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The word “stolen” is a pretty obvious straw man. No, the jobs aren’t owned, so they are not “stolen” in a criminal sense. Powerful incentives have been created by government to send those jobs overseas. This has been done on purpose by the same people who have opened the borders. Those people have internalized the savings from cheap labor, and externalized the mammoth coats. Maybe he could focus on those issues a bit for his next column.


4 posted on 12/22/2016 3:31:50 AM PST by cdcdawg
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To: expat_panama

Fallacy: Each worker agrees to give his effort ...

Workers are coerced into accepting trash money in exchange for honest real labor.

Free trade is not free and is not trade.


5 posted on 12/22/2016 3:46:27 AM PST by TheNext (Hillary LOST the POPULAR VOTE by 7 mil.)
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...Jobs arise from contracts for services. Each worker agrees to give his or her time and effort to an employer in return for pay. Neither the worker nor the employer owns any right to the indefinite continuation of the arrangement.

Except for health insurance companies. We are all have an involuntary arrangement to labor on behalf of insurance companies. (Well, except for congresscritters and muzz slimes)

6 posted on 12/22/2016 3:55:17 AM PST by Sirius Lee (If Trump loses, America dies)
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It is totally unreasonable to expect totally unfettered economic freedom across global borders. Actually the Constitution provides(codifies) for tariffs and duties on commerce between the USA and the rest of the world.

There is free and unfettered commerce between the states as regulated by the feds. All 50 states have to follow the same federal commerce regulations.

There is NOTHING in the Constitution providing for economic freedom across international borders, the opposite is true.

7 posted on 12/22/2016 4:10:02 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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“Because no worker owns a job, jobs can’t be stolen.”

Really?

Can a job be lost? Yes. Can a job be taken? Yes.

Can someone jerk the rug out from under a fellow employee and get his job? Yes.

Can a job be stolen? Yes.

He is one of these idiots that seeks to define any concept into oblivion and thinks he is brilliant.


8 posted on 12/22/2016 4:41:39 AM PST by odawg
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To: expat_panama

I’m not sure what you mean by “state control over where I buy and whom I hire.” What exactly does this mean in the context of the article you posted here?


10 posted on 12/22/2016 5:40:31 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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Jobs can indeed be stolen, and it is usually as a result of government policy in some way. For example, when China depreciates their currency value against the dollar and protects their internal market -- with US government acquiescence no less -- they make Chinese exports to the US cheaper and gain market share at the expense of US businesses and workers. When Obama and environmentalists shut down a petroleum pipeline that is under construction, surely it can be said with accuracy and justice that the jobs of the construction workers on the project have been taken from them. And when US immigration law is flouted with federal government complicity, the resulting flood of cheap labor from illegals does indeed take jobs from US workers.

The alternative view in the article assumes that but for foolish and illegitimate US domestic laws, we would live in a world of frictionless free markets in which citizenship, nationality, nation states, cultures, race, language, and faith do not matter and goods and services and people would move about freely and efficiently. Of course, although cash is said by economists to be fungible, people are not. America's national cohesion and the interests of the country and its people matter and are not just fit but are essential considerations for public policy.

For direct political appeals to the American public, the most potent way to raise such issues is to talk of jobs and national greatness and avoid stating considerations of American national interest in ways that can be derided as based on race. Indeed, polling shows that most Black Americans get the point that immigrants from Latin America and other parts of the world now have many jobs that they used to fill.

Thus Trump's call for jobs, his visit to inner city Detroit, and sympathetic remarks about conditions in the inner cities made small but politically significant inroads with Black voters. Indeed, slams of Trump as racist for his comments about illegal immigrant Mexican rapists probably raised his net standing with Blacks, while Trump's general call to make America great again also resonated with many patriotic Black Americans.

Call me a nationalist, but I see policies aimed at bettering America and its citizens as essential to our prosperity and even to our survival as a free society. Indeed, I put America first, even at the expense of mere economic efficiency.

11 posted on 12/22/2016 6:11:11 AM PST by Rockingham
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To: expat_panama

The government has no right to set a minimum or maximum hourly pay rate. (not “minimum wage”).


13 posted on 12/22/2016 6:44:57 AM PST by I want the USA back (Lying Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: expat_panama

Minimum wage isn’t what must be paid, it is a restriction on allowing any job worth less than minimum wage from being performed.


14 posted on 12/22/2016 6:52:09 AM PST by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement, I'd be unstoppable!)
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