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The Silent Economic War Being Waged Against America
Economy In Crises ^ | 7/31/16 | George Barlow

Posted on 12/16/2016 8:49:07 AM PST by central_va

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To: itsahoot

I think your facts are wrong. There is a lot of weapons systems being built in the US by General Dynamics, GE, Raytheon, Boeing, and other companies. It would be more if there were tax policies in the US that were favorable towards corporations. Currently, they are not.


21 posted on 12/16/2016 9:27:48 AM PST by econjack
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To: econjack
Let's fix the problem for once rather than hiding it.

Let's stop the bleeding of American labor while we address the root causes.

Raising tariffs means higher prices for us

I advocate a revenue-neutral (or -decreasing) reduction of corporate and individual taxes as tariffs are raised. You on board?

22 posted on 12/16/2016 9:29:03 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: central_va

Agree completely. When I was in high school in the 80s and they were talking about how great free trade was for everyone, my first thought was how can American workers compete with workers from countries where $4.00 a week is considered a good wage? There is only one way, if our wages go down.


23 posted on 12/16/2016 9:32:29 AM PST by OIFVeteran
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To: econjack
In the US, about 2/3's of the total cost of production is due to labor costs.

That really depends on the industry and the product, doesn't it? I believe labor represents no more than 5% of the cost of producing an iPhone.

24 posted on 12/16/2016 9:37:53 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: NobleFree
Mitch McConnel has used that term "revenue-neutral" when he said he won't give Trump his personal income tax changes. Why is it that politician are so loath to let us keep our money. With the Kennedy and Reagan tax cuts, economic growth soared and tax receipts did, too.

If you cut tax rates, you raise the real income of labor, which means they can buy more goods and services, which means economic growth. As I've said before, a rising tide lifts all boats. Tax cuts for business makes every worker more profitable to hire, plus puts more spending power in the economy. No one is "bleeding" the American worker, except those workers who want $15/hr at a fast food restaurant.

No, I'm not on board. Give the American tax payer a significant tax cut and watch what happens to the demand for goods and services and, hence, the demand for labor. Give corporate America a tax cut and watch what happens to the demand for labor. Tariffs hide the problem, tax policy can fix it.

25 posted on 12/16/2016 9:40:56 AM PST by econjack
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To: Neidermeyer
I for one am disgusted with the quality of goods available.

That is a red herring that has nothing to do with trade policy. If something is cheap, it should not be expected to last long. One interesting question is whether an industry can even survive if it produces consumer products that last 30 or more years.

26 posted on 12/16/2016 9:42:12 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: econjack
Mitch McConnel has used that term "revenue-neutral" when he said he won't give Trump his personal income tax changes.

I can't argue with McConnell on this one. Cutting tax rates to the point where tax revenue falls only works if accompanied by corresponding spending cuts. This country is bankrupt and can't afford to pile itself under even more debt -- especially as interest rates rise.

27 posted on 12/16/2016 9:44:33 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: econjack
I advocate a revenue-neutral (or -decreasing) reduction of corporate and individual taxes as tariffs are raised. You on board?

No, I'm not on board. Give the American tax payer a significant tax cut

Please re-read, noting the "or -decreasing". Thanks.

28 posted on 12/16/2016 9:44:44 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Alberta's Child
Cutting tax rates to the point where tax revenue falls only works if accompanied by corresponding spending cuts.

I agree - in the absence of spending cuts there can be no true tax cut, only a tax shift to our children and their children.

29 posted on 12/16/2016 9:47:44 AM PST by NobleFree ("law is often but the tyrant's will, and always so when it violates the right of an individual")
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To: Alberta's Child

That is a red herring that has nothing to do with trade policy.
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BS , It’s a valid observation related to the quality of low cost imports. With an uneven playing field the bad will always push out the good in a race to the bottom.


30 posted on 12/16/2016 9:49:47 AM PST by Neidermeyer (Bill Clinton is a 5 star general in the WAR ON WOMEN and Hillary is his Goebbels.)
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To: JonPreston

I’m not even sure the Harley Davidson example is relevant. How does a tariff help a company whose customer base goes out of its way to avoid buying cheap competing products, and who had already been willing to pay a price for a new motorcycle that was 50% higher than imports?


31 posted on 12/16/2016 9:50:38 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child
That really depends on the industry and the product, doesn't it? I believe labor represents no more than 5% of the cost of producing an iPhone.

Precisely the point. That phone is produced in China where 95% of the cost is the cost of capital, not labor. We are being outproduced because or our gov'ts tax policies on business. Let Apple build a billion dollar plant here in the US with all the latest technologies and we can bury the Chinese. As it is now, gov't scrapes 35% of business capital away so it can give free cell phones to deadbeats. Tariffs don't solve that problem.

32 posted on 12/16/2016 9:52:20 AM PST by econjack
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To: NobleFree

OK...I’m on board with the decreasing part.


33 posted on 12/16/2016 9:53:25 AM PST by econjack
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To: Neidermeyer
With an uneven playing field the bad will always push out the good in a race to the bottom.

That's not a trade problem -- it's a consumer problem.

Or maybe it's not a "problem" at all -- and the consumer is smarter than you think. Maybe the consumer realizes that paying $X for something that lasts for 5 years is better than paying $10X for something that last 6-8 times longer.

Luxury car brands like Mercedes-Benz, Lexus and BMW don't see their sales decline just because Ford, Toyota and Hyundai offer much cheaper models, do they?

34 posted on 12/16/2016 9:55:05 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: econjack
It goes way beyond that. Even if labor and capital costs are identical, there are other major factors that come into play when a company decides where to manufacture a consumer product. Two big ones that immediately come to mind:

1. Where are the suppliers of the raw materials and components located?

2. Where are the customers located?

35 posted on 12/16/2016 9:59:34 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: econjack

P.S. — I would make the case that the invention of the shipping container has had a much bigger impact on U.S. trade deficits with Asian countries over the last 50 years than the cost differential for either labor or capital.


36 posted on 12/16/2016 10:01:22 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child
avoid buying cheap competing products

The Harley tariffs weren't a response to competition, but rather dumping.

37 posted on 12/16/2016 10:10:12 AM PST by JonPreston
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To: JonPreston

That doesn’t exactly reflect what the article says in the link you posted.


38 posted on 12/16/2016 10:17:39 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child

And I believe the shipping container was invented by an American.


39 posted on 12/16/2016 10:19:19 AM PST by henkster
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To: central_va

bmp


40 posted on 12/16/2016 10:22:45 AM PST by gattaca (Republicans believe every day is July 4, democrats believe every day is April 15. Ronald Reagan)
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