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Russia's Sad, Smokey Carrier Doesn't Seem to Be Doing Much of Anything
Popular Mechanics ^ | Dec 7, 2016 | Kyle Mizokami

Posted on 12/08/2016 5:32:45 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki

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1 posted on 12/08/2016 5:32:45 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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The US has 10 active aircraft carriers in service.


2 posted on 12/08/2016 5:39:50 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Considering Russia’s sole CSG only carries 20 fixed-wing fighters I never really considered the deployment a game changer.


3 posted on 12/08/2016 5:52:38 AM PST by baltoga
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Isn't this the first time the carrier is engaged in a real combat operation not a training exercise? The ship had been rusting in its home port for years, and was dragged out just now to see if it can perform. No wonder it struggles.
4 posted on 12/08/2016 5:58:07 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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The US has 10 active aircraft NUCLEAR carriers in service. Plus another eight LHD/MEU carrier groups. 18 carrier task forces is more than the rest of the developed world combined.


5 posted on 12/08/2016 6:03:29 AM PST by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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The US has 10 active aircraft carriers in service.

And has been developing carrier tactics and operations for over 100 years. The USSR and others are newbies to this.

6 posted on 12/08/2016 6:05:44 AM PST by Don Corleone (Oil the gun, eat the cannolis, take it to the mattress.)
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To: narses

more than the undeveloped world, too!


7 posted on 12/08/2016 6:05:59 AM PST by Enchante (Hoping the Clintonistas are gone from our public life forever!!)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

However, academic exercises result in experience that cal be valuable for planning.

A negative result can be informative.

Unfortunately performing the exercise in the Medditeranean Sea for all to see, is embarassing


8 posted on 12/08/2016 6:09:58 AM PST by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Macroagression melts snowflakes)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

All part of putin’s “Make Russia Pretend to be Great Again” plan


9 posted on 12/08/2016 6:12:13 AM PST by ari-freedom (Chicken Little Concerned for Trump people are almost as annoying as NeverTrumpers!)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

I wonder how loud of a wail would be heard from liberals if somebody offered the suggestion of allowing Russian aircraft to use a US carrier, to let Russia use an older but operational carrier.


10 posted on 12/08/2016 6:16:52 AM PST by Daniel Ramsey (MAGA)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Its planes struggle also since the lack of a CAT launch system makes it impossible for them to carry extra fuel thus limiting their range; further, the same limitation makes carrying anything other than a very light bomb load impossible; CAG seems to be limited also as a retuning MiG was allowed to circle until it ran out of fuel and crashed into the sea. And so on.


11 posted on 12/08/2016 6:20:26 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Russia’s military is still a shadow of what it was during the Soviet Era (and it was vastly overrated even then). Although they did go through a period of modernization in the mid to late 2000’s when Russia was awash in oil revenue, they are still way too reliant on obsolete Soviet era equipment


12 posted on 12/08/2016 6:22:39 AM PST by apillar
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Highway to the Danger Zone!


13 posted on 12/08/2016 6:23:36 AM PST by Haiku Guy (Democrato delenda est)
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To: bert
I think Russia is conducting a sweeping evaluation of its military using their Syria operation. They brought in a wide-range of weaponry, some of which may not be necessary for this particular operation. They didn't have to use long-range bombers or sea-launched long-range missiles from Caspian Sea to hit Jihadi targets. It makes a good PR but also a way to test what they have.
14 posted on 12/08/2016 6:34:34 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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I agree and carry it one step further.

The exercise is being conducted using stock pile of who knows how old explosives. Having many times more than what they actually need allows the exercise to go forward cheap. I feel certain that various military attaches from military customers have been drug out to actually the stuff in action. The war is a sales event

Then the carrier came on the scene and screwed all the sales pitches up


15 posted on 12/08/2016 6:39:44 AM PST by bert (K.E.; N.P.; GOPc;WASP .... Macroagression melts snowflakes)
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To: bert
I agree that there is also a sales angle to consider.
16 posted on 12/08/2016 6:44:11 AM PST by TigerLikesRooster (dead parakeet + lost fishing gear = freep all day)
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To: PIF

They lost a Sukhoi a few days back, too. Read somewhere that the pilots were picked contractors. Another reason perhaps for the small airwing embarked.


17 posted on 12/08/2016 7:15:05 AM PST by Tallguy
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To: baltoga

I believe in the design he has 12 VLS with SSN-19 SHIPWRECK SSMs. Whether they are still there and operational i do not know. I think in GW1 some carrier launched a/c landed at ground bases so they could load up more munitions and fuel before a strike.


18 posted on 12/08/2016 7:30:12 AM PST by bravo whiskey (Never bring a liberal gun law to a gun fight.)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Russia (like China) has little in the way of a naval tradition. An Office Corp and Senior Enlisted without experience does not spell success...


19 posted on 12/08/2016 7:43:33 AM PST by MichaelRDanger
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To: narses

Right. But even so we need to update, upgrade and expand the navy as one of the nation’s most pressing priorities.


20 posted on 12/08/2016 7:56:58 AM PST by KyCats
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