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Las Vegas gun shops want guidance on expanded background checks
reviewjournal.com ^ | 11/20/2016 | WESLEY JUHL

Posted on 11/21/2016 8:35:51 AM PST by rktman

Las Vegas gun shops are looking for guidance after Nevada voters approved a ballot question extending firearm background check requirements.

Question 1 passed on Election Day by a narrow margin — much more narrow than polls predicted — cementing background check requirements for private-party sales and transfers into state law.

The new background checks law takes effect Jan. 1, but some gun store owners said they aren’t sure what to do then.

Bob Irwin, owner of the Gun Store on East Tropicana Avenue, was under the impression that the law still had to go through the Legislature before it would take effect.

He said he wasn’t sure how it would work with in-store purchases going through a state-run background check system and private sales and transfers going through the FBI system. And he said he hasn’t received any guidance.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Politics/Elections; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; guncontrol; infringement; nevada; nv2016
There is no guidance. The POS initiative was so poorly put together that there are no specifics. Just like the one in WA. Since there aren't enough specifics, it should be delayed until such time as the legislation can cobble more BS in to how to handle it. Unfortunately, the way it works, it goes into effect 1/1/2017 regardless. If I read the process correctly(questionable) the legislature can't do anything with it for 3 years. The only county where it actually passed was Clark County (vegas). It didn't pass in any other county. Lucky for NV residents though, no criminals will ever be able to obtain a firearm any longer in NV with this change to NRS. Enforcement? Funding? Records keeping? State BGC or Federal BGC? Who knows? Apparently nobody. Someone with enough cash could, I suppose, file an injunction. I guess. I don't have the money. Oh, I have some beach front property for sale in Yerington .
1 posted on 11/21/2016 8:35:51 AM PST by rktman
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This is exactly what we are dealing with in CA for Prop 63’s ammo permit and background checks. There is NO GUIDANCE and no system set up yet to handle it. It’s just a stupid $1 per box tax now to try to fund the system of record.

Someone needs to start taking these states to court for blatant Second Amendment violations. I am sick of this crap.


2 posted on 11/21/2016 8:38:17 AM PST by InsidiousMongo
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To: rktman

I would think any voter referendum still has to have the formality of being instantiated into actual law through a formal procedure by the legislature. I would consider it an un-formalized law and prior law would prevail.


3 posted on 11/21/2016 8:38:42 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: rktman

Trump is a ‘state’s rights’ guy. Can he put EO/regulations/laws through that over ride all this anti gun legislation in individual states?


4 posted on 11/21/2016 8:39:02 AM PST by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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To: rktman

I think the vagueness might actually be a part of the plan.

they want people whose nature is to comply with the law to be filled with fear.

they like the uncertainty.

I think because they understand these citizens are good people.


5 posted on 11/21/2016 8:39:08 AM PST by gaijin
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To: rktman

If it’s that unclear, it should be considered void for vagueness.


6 posted on 11/21/2016 8:39:17 AM PST by Sasparilla (I Am Not Tired Of Winning)
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To: rktman

But, but the problem was taken care of back in 1968!

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=29197

LBJ comments on signing the 1968 Gun Control Act into law..

Secretary Fowler, Attorney General Clark, Chairman Celler, distinguished Members of the Senate and the House, distinguished guests:

“Today we begin to disarm the criminal and the careless and the insane. All of our people who are deeply concerned in this country about law and order should hail this day.”
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“The Government can help protect its citizens against the random and the reckless violence of crime at gun point. We have come here to the Cabinet Room today to sign the most comprehensive gun control law ever signed in this Nation’s history.”

BUT IT IS NEVER ENOUGH! Look at everything else they have tried to pass in the last 49 years!


7 posted on 11/21/2016 8:42:58 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Conan: To crush your enemies, and to hear the lamentations of their women)
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To: rktman

The only “Guidance” these Gun Dealers need is this:

Compile a LIST of ALL PUBLIC EMPLOYEES in the State and REFUSE TO DO BUSINESS WITH ALL OF THEM PERMANENTLY.

Yes this unfortunately includes Police Officers, but so be it.When they CAN NOT even Buy AMMUNITION to Defend American Citizens and Public Officials it will be REPEALED.


8 posted on 11/21/2016 8:43:25 AM PST by eyeamok (destruction of government records.)
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To: gaijin

George Soros and Bloomberg fund these initiatives.
Get the public stoned on dope and take away their guns.


9 posted on 11/21/2016 8:47:23 AM PST by alpo (Resist we much)
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Bloomberg’s initiative at it’s finest! He had attempted to do the same in AZ but it never made it to the ballot.


10 posted on 11/21/2016 9:01:56 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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Personally, I think it’s a huge step backwards that they passed this law but the procedure itself is pretty straight forward. The ATF published an advisory about how to do private transfers. There really isn’t much mystery to this.

https://www.atf.gov/file/4961/download


11 posted on 11/21/2016 9:24:20 AM PST by stranger and pilgrim
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One answer in these states is for everyone who might ever have use for a gun to buy one at the earliest opportunity. If one cannot let a gun out of his own hands without a ton of government red tape then simply everyone should have a gun.


12 posted on 11/21/2016 12:08:03 PM PST by arthurus (Deport Huma to Iran.)
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Looks like there might be instances where you would have to fill out a 4473 in order to get your own property back. Sounds like "infringements" to me. 🔫🙄
13 posted on 11/21/2016 12:20:35 PM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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Under the procedures the atf sent out, the FFL doesn’t log the gun until AFTER running the NICS check. If the buyer gets a DENY the seller leaves with his gun. That’s the whole point of the private party transfer procedure. It lets the seller know whether his buyer will pass before the gun is tranferred to the FFL.

BTW, pawn customers have to pass a background check to get their own gun back.


14 posted on 11/21/2016 3:53:08 PM PST by stranger and pilgrim
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To: rktman

Until this is repealed, I don’t ever plan to set foot in the state ever again.


15 posted on 11/21/2016 7:52:03 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (It's Morning in America. Again.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
It may take a while but we'll try. Or ignore it. 🔫
16 posted on 11/21/2016 10:27:18 PM PST by rktman (Enlisted in the Navy in '67 to protect folks rights to strip my rights. WTH?!)
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To: Gaffer

Unfortunately, Clark County got rid of our Republican controlled legislature.


17 posted on 11/25/2016 4:42:28 AM PST by Read Write Repeat
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