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To: BlackElk
Please leave the historic crap out of this conversation. It's 2016, and most Americans today weren't even alive when Truman fired MacArthur and Eisenhower "brought the boys home."

I DO have an interest in bringing these bastards to heel or killing them. It is up to them.

No, it's up to us. If the U.S. government is going to commit lives and money to wage a military campaign, it either has to do it right or it shouldn't be done at all.

Bush the Elder used a magnificent General Stormin' Norman Schwartzkopf to win half a war with very few American casualties to free Kuwait but leave So Damn Insane in power (necessitating a second Gulf War and a LOT more American casualties).

Bush the Elder was acting under the advice of a U.S. Defense Secretary named Dick Cheney who knew damn well that invading Iraq would be a disaster. He even predicted (very accurately) what would happen if the Ba'athist government was overthrown -- and it was not a good scenario. That pr!ck suddenly changed his tune when he was the vice president ten years later, and history will not remember him kindly.

Keep in mind that these "neo-cons" have spent 25 years pushing a government model in the U.S. that has involved massive military commitments all over the world even while maintaining open borders right here in the U.S. This 2016 election was the result of a lot of people finally getting pissed off because they realize that they don't even live in a real country anymore. I figured this out more than a decade ago, when the Bush administration pushed that outrageous invasion of Iraq, only to leave behind an Iraqi government with a new constitution in which Islam is enshrined as the official state religion.

And those PNAC "neo-con" f#%&ers were responsible for that.

I can guarantee you that Donald Trump will destroy his credibility among a big chunk of his supporters if he nominates one of them to be the U.S. Secretary of State.

85 posted on 11/19/2016 4:42:41 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("Yo, bartender -- Jobu needs a refill!")
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To: Alberta's Child
Answers to #84 and 85: If you think this year's election was about foreign policy, you are deaf, dumb and blind. This year's election was the long overdue rebellion against the elitist greedypigs of BOTH parties grinding the noses of us peasants into the pavement. That is what got a new generation of Reagan Democrats on board for Trump. NOTHING whatsoever to do with the nervous Nelly, limp-wrist foreign policy platoon whining about a manly foreign policy. In case you missed it Trump has also vowed to take excellent care of our utterly neglected veterans and to actually rebuild our military, presumably not just towaste money.

Our wars MUST indeed be fought right or not at all. No nation building. No humanitarian waste of $$$$$ better used on the military rebuilding. No boots on the ground. Maximum death from the sky for the enemy.

I don't personally care whether the Iraqis worship Mickey Mouse or the fictional god of the 7th century camel jockey/child molester. We don't really need their oil any more now that comrade imam is out of the White House come 1/20/17.

There may be a mini-feather of isolationists wimps who convinced themselves that Trump was in their camp. They can leave now and be replaced by patriots and veterans who can join a movement that looks like our military at war. Trump can bring jobs to the inner cities and the rest of the country, cultivate blacks and Hispanics, build the wall to protect everyone's job and leave the airy fairy distaste for necessary wars to the elitists and other demonrats.

Compared to the massive cost of the welfare state, death from the sky is downright economical and does not put American lives at risk.

Even incompetently fought and dragging all the unnecessary "humanitarian" baggage, we won the war you despise and had So Damn Insane hanged. Get over it.

I would also close most American military bases around the world. We need some naval bases to repair and refuel ships. We need a few strategically placed airfields to land, repair and refuel planes. We could easily abrogate the spaghetti bowl of entangling treaties, expel the UN and stop funding it and stop kissing its anti-American diployakker ass.

If you don't care enough about your country to advance its interests in the world, then why should you have a say in foreign and military policy. We are not going to become creampuff nation, sitting around the old camp fire with our enemies crooning Kumbaya. There are entire peace creep nations out there. Move to one.

90 posted on 11/19/2016 6:21:23 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline, Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Society. Rack 'em, Danno!)
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