>> She’ll likely end up winning the popular vote by 500,000 to 1 million <<
Maybe you and others should stop spreading this mischievously misleading meme.
If it’s true (as I’ve read on other FR threads) that absentee ballots aren’t counted in a typical state unless they could theoretically make a difference for that state’s outcome, and if it’s also true that the GOP vote is normally a larger percentage of the absentees than is the Dem vote, then who can say what a count of the absentee votes in “outside-the-margin” states like CA, NY & TX would truly reveal?
Bottom line:
IMHO, the odds are only 50-50 that Clinton got more total votes that did Trump — even though she will certainly have received more of the votes that are actually counted.
It seems to be quite popular are various Twitter addresses, but then they may be just copying each other.
If you'll look at the internet location, it appears to come from PBS.
Go here: LINK: put your cursor at the end of the address, type "/" and hit your right arrow...
You'll see this listed with what seems to be other PBS offerings.
Perhaps that's not what it is at all. If someone has a better explanation I'd be glad to hear it.
If these numbers are correct, you weren't off at all.
You have to factor in the fraud. There was a monster vote it was hidden in the fraud.
Incidentally, you were correct in 2012 as well. It was fraud that "won" that election too.
Absolutely agree. Since 2008, I prayed the same 3-word prayer about her. Please, lord, no.
Thankfully, my new 3-word prayer is:
Thank you, Lord!
“Pennsylvania, Michigan, North Carolina, and Florida all hinged on fewer than 180,000 votes.”
You should have phrased this differently or at least added the word “each,” because it makes it sound like he won by fewer than 180,000 in all those states combined, which is of course not so. He won by almost 180,000 in just NC alone and by 140,000 in FL. (I agree that his election was a miracle though!)
http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president
I said it on another thread and will offer it here for thought/discussion. As close as this election seemed for us, it was a disaster for the 'Rats. Think about what they lost. They had what everybody thought was a slam-dunk win of the Presidency. Didn't happen. We defended 24 Senate seats and lost only two as of this writing, three if the 'Rats manage to steal the Louisiana seat in the runoff. Any other time defending 24 seats and holding a majority is a tall order, but we did it. Our losses in the House were minimal. I think we actually gained in governorships. Any way you slice it, compared to expectations, the 'Rats got stomped. About time, too, I'd have to say. Good to be on this side in an election that isn't off-year.
1. Any analysis of turnout should be held off until after the votes are certified by each state. If you go back over the last few years you'll find the same commentary right after every election about how much turnout had declined, but when all the absentee and provisional votes are counted the numbers always end up much higher.
2. I don't think Trump was ever going to be competitive in some of those states you listed. New Hampshire and Minnesota were the only ones that likely would have been added to his column if his campaign had gone smoothly. It is very hard for a loud-mouthed New Yorker to get a lot of traction among voters outside New York City.
3. I've said all along that I don't think the "Access Hollywood" tape did as much damage as most people seem to think. Trump's poll numbers took a serious hit after that, but if you go back and look at the polls I think you'll find that his number had already started to decline before that. I attribute this to two factors: (A) his poor performance in the first debate, and (B) that bizarre 3:00 AM tweet about the former Miss Universe Alicia Machado.
Item (B) above could have been fatal to Trump's campaign, because it introduced a thought in the minds of many voters that they never would have had otherwise at that late stage in the campaign: Is this guy really a presidential candidate, or is he just some public relations @sshole in the TV business?
Trump's campaign didn't get back on track until after he did a bang-up job in the second debate. His "You'd be in jail" line in that debate will be remembered as the turning point in the campaign.
Had dinner with my parish priest yesterday evening. He actually told me he thought it was God’s intervention that saved our nation from Jezebel.
Just ask our Founding Fathers...
I believe God was/is involved, BUT, I think you should also see and give credit to the fact that President Elect Donald Trump is a genius, who hired the right people to communicate the right message.
It was NOT close. President Elect Trump could have lost FLORIDA and still won. He nearly won enough to lose Texas and still win.
The Democrat’s “blue wall” had cracks in it, (similar to a boxer with a broken rib.) Donald Trump channeled all his energy into punching that sore rib as often and as hard as he could.
THESE ARE BLUE STATES:
MICHIGAN - WISCONSIN - OHIO - PENNSYLVANIA - FLORIDA - NORTH CAROLINA
President Elect Trump flipped all of them.
His message was tailor made for these states, he won the union vote as a Republican, not easy. Look at Donald Trump’s 6-rally-a-day schedule his final week.
The fact that President Elect Trump didn’t win by wasting bags of money, pumping up the popular vote in states where the votes weren’t needed, should make you proud. It was his money, he spent EXACTLY what was needed to win, comfortably, and not a penny more.
Why did CROOKED Hillary waste so much money, driving up vote totals in states that weren’t being contested? That’s the question.
Winning California by 1 vote or 5 million votes is irrelevant.
I am convinced President Elect Trump had access to the best internal polling, and knew exactly where, how, and when to hit them for an electoral college knock out.
It was no coincidence Obama and Hillary were in Michigan and Pennsylvania on the final two days of the campaign, President Elect Trump had them beaten, and they knew it.
Thanks for the info :)
I see it as EVERY SINGLE state was important, because had he lost these few, or those few it could have been a loss.
Sure he won by more voters in certain states and some are mostly always red states, but still weather or any number of factors could have changed the outcome of any state.
To my view, they all were important and now as Trump makes good on a number of his promises, AND if we can get states to clean voter roles, He is more sure to win again should he run or if not Pence will be in good position to carry forward.
Awesome.
Green and Libertarian parties also way under performed.
Skankles very high unfavorables (also Trump’s) high unfavorables, and the conclusion is about 10 million voters stayed home this year.
Thanks for the posting!
The Media was able to suppress the Trump vote and prevent a landslide. That was their goal all along. It almost worked well enough to get Hillary elected.
But, as you say, ultimately, it was a miracle... I firmly believe that.
but there was a massive turnout for Trump...perhaps not reflected in the numbers but with the fraud, that was absolutely evident, with votes "changing" to Clintoon, I believe Trumps overall numbers were very high....
another thing that to me is a great possibility...that wikileaks was right, the latest info they had would destroy her, and she was given an option....withdraw your Soros attack on our election and loose gracefully....
I think the Trump victory was a big stronger than you make it out to be. We will probably never know the full extent of the fraud (i.e. ineligible voters voting; people voting more than once; dead or non-participants having their ballots cast by others, etc.) but you can bet that it is substantial.
Even that aside, a margin of 306-232 EVs is a pretty solid win. When a team wins the Super Bowl by a score of say 31-21, nobody tries to minimize the victory because the other team scored 21 points. A win is a win. And this was a solid win.
Even in football, the game can turn on just a play or two. Trump won this with a strong ground offensive in the Rust Belt and a very strong defense overall! A successful Hail Mary to MN or VA would have run up the score nicely but the TDs in WI, MI and PA put the game away.
I feel we won’t really know until we get a better sense of what the illegal vote did to things. Same with fraud. I think the next four years has to be spent cleaning up the voting system in the US, from the states upward.