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Electoral College: Make Hillary Clinton President on December 19
Change.org ^

Posted on 11/10/2016 2:17:05 PM PST by Ciaphas Cain

On December 19, the Electors of the Electoral College will cast their ballots. If they all vote the way their states voted, Donald Trump will win. However, they can vote for Hillary Clinton if they choose. Even in states where that is not allowed, their vote would still be counted, they would simply pay a small fine - which we can be sure Clinton supporters will be glad to pay!

We are calling on the Electors to ignore their states' votes and cast their ballots for Secretary Clinton. Why?

Mr. Trump is unfit to serve. His scapegoating of so many Americans, and his impulsivity, bullying, lying, admitted history of sexual assault, and utter lack of experience make him a danger to the Republic. Secretary Clinton WON THE POPULAR VOTE and should be President.

Hillary won the popular vote. The only reason Trump "won" is because of the Electoral College.

But the Electoral College can actually give the White House to either candidate. So why not use this most undemocratic of our institutions to ensure a democratic result?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: beatingadeadhorse; clinton; electoralcollege; trump
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To: al baby

The electors would be signing their own death warrants.


41 posted on 11/10/2016 2:47:38 PM PST by Farmer Dean (Boating accident?Seriously?)
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To: Ciaphas Cain

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

5.56mm


42 posted on 11/10/2016 2:49:11 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Texan Tory
the rules cannot be changed in the middle of the contest.

They aren't trying to get the rules changed. They are trying to get Trump electors to flip. It's not going to happen.

43 posted on 11/10/2016 2:50:35 PM PST by Gil4 (And the trees are all kept equal by hatchet, ax and saw)
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To: Bob

morons....

Dead morons walking.


44 posted on 11/10/2016 2:50:59 PM PST by Hang'emAll (If guns kill people, do pencils misspell words?)
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To: Ciaphas Cain
Do these pinheads seriously think anyone besides them would recognize Hillary Clinton as the legitimate president after a stunt like this? The least it would do is precipitate a constitutional crisis. The worst would be outright civil war.

But that's their ultimate goal anyway. Change through destruction of the status quo.

45 posted on 11/10/2016 2:51:14 PM PST by IronJack
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To: Ciaphas Cain

1. Let’s stop calling her Secretary Clinton. She sucked at the job.
2. I want to refer to her as inmate!
3. If the EC elects her there will be hell to pay.


46 posted on 11/10/2016 2:51:35 PM PST by rfreedom4u (The root word of vigilante is vigilant!)
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To: Ciaphas Cain

I’m betting that every one of these 891,000 idiots was OUTRAGED when Trump didn’t immediately respond affirmatively to the question about accepting the outcome of the election...


47 posted on 11/10/2016 2:52:50 PM PST by DJ Frisat (Hey, what happened to my clever tag line?!)
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To: samtheman

and why she has not done or said a thing about it.


48 posted on 11/10/2016 3:00:40 PM PST by KennedyINO (There is only one truth--Responsibilty is Mine)
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To: Robert DeLong

Liberals love lies ... that’s why they love hearing Obama “speak” ....


49 posted on 11/10/2016 3:02:05 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for smeome have entertained angels unaware)
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To: djpg

I think the Washington State elector is an American Indian. So maybe he will vote for Elizabeth Warren. Of course he belongs to a different tribe—not many Cherokees in the Pacific Northwest.


50 posted on 11/10/2016 3:04:00 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Texan Tory

Hellary didn’t win the popular vote, either. I’ve been looking for info about how many votes may have been cast by illegal aliens, felons, and dead people, and it appears to be somewhere in the neighborhood of 1.5M to 2M. Since at least 75% of those people would have voted for Hitlery, that reduces her total by at least 1.1M votes, making her total less than President-elect Trump’s.


51 posted on 11/10/2016 3:04:43 PM PST by American Quilter (Hillary is a Loser. Loooooooooooser!!!!!!)
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To: Gil4

52 posted on 11/10/2016 3:05:16 PM PST by SaveFerris (Be a blessing to a stranger today for smeome have entertained angels unaware)
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To: Ciaphas Cain

Nearly 100 percent of military and law enforcement are behind our President-Elect.

So good luck with your little online coup you snowflakes!


53 posted on 11/10/2016 3:05:29 PM PST by SamAdams76
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To: Ciaphas Cain

So nearly a million uneducated people are having a temper tantrum


54 posted on 11/10/2016 3:07:12 PM PST by Nifster (Ignore all polls. Get Out The Vote)
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To: rfreedom4u
Let’s stop calling her Secretary Clinton. She sucked at the job.

She should be referred to as Mrs. Clinton, since the only accomplishment she has is marrying Bubba and protecting him from the consequences of his actions all these years.

55 posted on 11/10/2016 3:08:24 PM PST by American Quilter (Hillary is a Loser. Loooooooooooser!!!!!!)
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To: Owen

Ouch ... that’s gonna leave a mark.


56 posted on 11/10/2016 3:09:26 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Catholic Canadian

Ha.


57 posted on 11/10/2016 3:09:42 PM PST by deadrock (I is someone else.)
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To: Texan Tory
Donald Trump campaigned under the premise that the electoral vote tally is what determines the presidential victor, just as he should have. If the popular vote determined the winner, he would have campaigned in Texas to drive up his margin of victory there, and he would have campaigned in California to drive down the margin of his loss there.

Trump this year accomplished what Gore attempted in 2000. In that election, going down to the wire, Bush held a small but durable national lead in virtually all the public polling. Gore's hopes lay in winning a handful of big states to tip the Electoral College his way. In the final weeks, the race appeared to depend on, if I recall correctly, Florida and two other states. Democrats talked incessantly about the primacy of the Electoral College, that most brilliant of inventions by the constitutional convention.

Everything flipped at the end for two reasons. The first was the late hit on Bush's 30 year old DUI, which dominated the news in the last 72 hours. The second was the networks' early call of Florida for Gore, announced while the polls were open in the panhandle. That cost Bush several thousand votes in Florida (had this not happened, the recount fiasco would never have taken place). It probably cost Bush the national popular vote lead as well, as the bad call in Florida was not retracted for a couple of hours; this was during prime voting hours in the mountain and western time zones, where voters all believed Gore had already won.

Gore emerged with the popular vote majority. Democrats popped everything they had been saying about the Electoral College down the memory hole. I'm sure Trump's win will reinforce their calls for abolishing the EC.

You are of course correct that without the EC, the strategies of the campaigns would be entirely different. Democrats are making a very careless assumption when they argue that their popular vote lead would persist under the new rules.

But in addition, the Electoral College is a vital limitation on vote fraud. It compartmentalizes corruption. The margins in most of the states are outside the limits of fraud; we need only be concerned about a handful of very close states in a disputed election. If we eliminated the EC, the opportunity and incentive for fraud would increase exponentially, and every recount would have to be conducted nationally. Imagine the 2000 Florida recount if Republicans went vote mining in Nebraska and Georgia to offset Democrat vote mining in four counties in Florida while the Democrats expanded their search to Philly, Chicago and Los Angeles. It was a nightmare as it was. Without the EC, the problems would have compounded massively.

58 posted on 11/10/2016 3:12:15 PM PST by sphinx
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To: Ciaphas Cain

“Hillary won the popular vote. The only reason Trump “won” is because of the Electoral College.”


Not this $hit again!

Listen, morons, the Presidency is won in the EC, by winning 270 votes. Every candidate knows this, and has known it since before anyone who will ever read this was born.

As a result, the campaigns of all serious contenders for the Presidency are geared toward winning the 270 votes - which means that they focus on winning so-called “battleground” (i.e. close) states. It makes no sense to waste the candidate’s time or money going after, say, California - the Democrat knows that it is a winner, the Republican knows that its a loser.

If, however, the rules were changed and the national popular vote would determine the winner, Republicans would run hard in states like California and New York, and Democrats in Texas, Oklahoma, etc.

The finish line of the race was CLEARLY defined, and Clinton knew where it was long before Trump even considered running for POTUS. Don’t try to change the rules on us, and don’t believe that we are so stupid as to buy your BS so-called reasoning, ya freakin’ MORON!


59 posted on 11/10/2016 3:12:41 PM PST by Ancesthntr ("The right to buy weapons the right to be free." A. E. van Vogt)
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To: Ciaphas Cain

Geeze, with liberals it’s not “settled law” until they win.


60 posted on 11/10/2016 3:15:50 PM PST by Fido969
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