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This is a terrible "rule." Another ridiculously ham-handed intrusion into private business. This needs to be more widely discussed.
1 posted on 10/27/2016 4:31:51 PM PDT by JennysCool
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What also needs to be stopped is the ability of DC to govern the states through the wielding of bureaucratic fiat.


2 posted on 10/27/2016 4:36:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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... salaried workers earning below $47,476 per year

No more entry level computer programmers then. One more industry chased completely off shore.

And you all thought it was happening because of free trade.

3 posted on 10/27/2016 4:37:45 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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There will be a lot of people making $47,477.00 working 60 - 80 hour weeks.


4 posted on 10/27/2016 4:39:01 PM PDT by lightman (I'm nobody special...just a follower of the siren call of the Ison.)
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Secede already, Texas. There’s no obligation for states to be lorded over by the feds. In fact, states created the feds anyway purely for foreign affairs and having a monetary and trade system in place. If the Feds were to return to their original purpose, there would be no national debt, no poverty, and no Democrats in office.


7 posted on 10/27/2016 4:54:45 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist (TRUMP THAT BEYOTCH!)
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The rule makes sense if the minimum wage (which I oppose in its entirety) is $15 an hour. Then that $47k floor represents a 60 hour week on $15 an hour.

Think of it as a cost of living adjustment and it makes sense.

The abuse it prevents is when an employer puts someone on salary at (say) $45k per year and calls them exempt so they work the person 60 hours a week and by doing so save $2k on the minimum wage.

Like I said, I oppose the min wage. But if you’re going to have one then you also have to prohibit a path for employers to evade it.


11 posted on 10/27/2016 5:06:13 PM PDT by MeganC (JE SUIS CHARLES MARTEL!!!)
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When I started work in the 80s I decided to work at least 45 hours/week (5 more hours than my peers) to “get ahead”. I got promoted very quick (fastest ever in the company’s 20+ year history). Sounds like I couldn’t do that now.

When I was a senior architect for a fortune 100 company, with 100s of developers under me on projects, I had to use contract agencies for development and system administration. We could not hire in-house resources because of government regulations. We used contract agencies because they dealt with the regulations. I could not use some GREAT agencies because the were under 50 people and didn’t follow all of the regulations that my company had to follow - mainly reporting that small businesses are exempt from but keep them from getting big contracts (or getting the contracts renewed once legal finds out). Lawyers said we’d be accused of bypassing regulations by hiring them. So we used “big companies” to do our development and sysadmin and they mostly used H-1B and offshore developers. And we paid MORE for agencies paying their developers almost nothing than we’d pay our own developers. But it was worth it to not need to deal with regulations. We weren’t bypassing regulations - we paid more and made sure regs were followed by contractors. And legal residents did not get hired because of it.

I’m independent now and have the work to hire 5+ people tomorrow but I don’t want the trouble. I had up to 4 employees in the 90s. It wasn’t “fun”, but was reasonable. At this point it’s not worth the effort if I only want a few employees. One of my clients uses an agency hiring H-1Bs to do what my employees could do better for less cost to the client. I could have 2-3 US citizens working for them TOMORROW if I was motivated.

We have too many people in government who are clueless about business. I’ll forgive ANYTHING Trump SAYS to get someone in DC who knows what business is like. It’s not a fault that he “has his ties made in China”. It’s a reality caused by government, that he understands better than anyone who blames him for it. If we want jobs in the US, get rid of regulations like this overtime rule that sound good but in reality cost jobs.


12 posted on 10/27/2016 5:40:07 PM PDT by LostPassword
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Thank you for referencing that article JennysCool. Please note that the following critique is directed at the article and not at you.

The corrupt, post-17th Amenndment ratification Congess has always had the constitutional authority to put a stop to a president’s actions, but has stubbornly refused to do so with Obama.

From related threads …

In fact, regardless what FDR’s state sovereignty-ignoring, activist justices wanted everybody to think about the scope of Congress’s Commerce Clause powers (1.8.3), a previous generation of state sovereignty-respecting justices had clarified that the states have never delegated to the feds, expressly via the Constitution, the specific power to regulate INTRAstate commerce.

”State inspection laws, health laws, and laws for regulating the internal commerce of a State, and those which respect turnpike roads, ferries, &c. are not within the power granted to Congress [emphases added].” —Gibbons v. Ogden, 1824.

Such justices had also clarified that powers that the states haven’t expressly delegated to the feds, Obama’s unconstitutional interference with intrastate overtime wages in this example, are prohibited to the feds.

”From the accepted doctrine that the United States is a government of delegated powers, it follows that those not expressly granted, or reasonably to be implied from such as are conferred, are reserved to the states, or to the people. To forestall any suggestion to the contrary, the Tenth Amendment was adopted. The same proposition, otherwise stated, is that powers not granted are prohibited [emphasis added].” —United States v. Butler, 1936.

So Obama is once again allowing Congress to use him as its “useful idiot,” lawmakers letting Obama get away with stealing 10th Amendment-protected state powers to do the unconstitutional things that corrupt lawmakers probably want to do.

By letting lawless, last-term Obama do their dirty work for them, lawmakers are able to keep their voting records clean so that they can fool low-information patriots, patriots who are clueless about the fed’s constitutionally limited powers, into reelecting them. (Patriots need to iron the wrinkles out of the 22nd Amendment.)

Remember in November !

Patriots need to support Trump / Pence by also electing a new, state sovereignty-respecting Congress that will not only work within its constitutional Article I, Section 8-limited powers to support Trump’s vision for making America great again for everybody, but will also put a stop to unconstitutonal federal taxes and likewise unconstitutional inteference in state affairs as evideced by Obama's unconstitutional regulation of intrastate wages.

Note that such a Congress will also probably be willing to fire state sovereignty-ignoring activist justices.

13 posted on 10/27/2016 5:48:57 PM PDT by Amendment10
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The international company I work for pays overtime called flextime. I don’t get $45 per hour for overtime, I get 7 bucks an hour and unfortunately it legal.


16 posted on 10/27/2016 6:10:11 PM PDT by Rodm
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The international company I work for pays overtime called flextime. I don’t get $45 per hour for overtime, I get 7 bucks an hour and unfortunately it legal.


17 posted on 10/27/2016 6:15:40 PM PDT by Rodm
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