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To: tatown

LA times is not very accurate.

Rasmussen had a 3 point GOP bias in 2012, so you need to knock 3 off Trump’s results.


60 posted on 10/21/2016 8:51:17 AM PDT by Sam Gamgee
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To: Sam Gamgee

IBD/TIPP was the most accurate pollster in 2012 and they have Trump ahead as well (even using a D+7 weighting).


68 posted on 10/21/2016 9:11:33 AM PDT by tatown
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To: Sam Gamgee
LA times is not very accurate. Rasmussen had a 3 point GOP bias in 2012, so you need to knock 3 off Trump’s results.

I agree that our side can be as guilty of cherry-picking poll results that we like as the establishment. However, even taking your caveat into consideration, that still puts Trump into a statistical tie with Clinton given any reasonable margin of error, which is a far cry from the mass media's constantly repeated lie about Clinton being ahead by high single digits or more.

76 posted on 10/21/2016 9:59:42 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: Sam Gamgee
LA times is not very accurate.

This nonsense again? Just because one pollster interprets the data one way and another interprets it another doesn't make it not accurate (see below). (eg: More than 30% of people who tell pollsters they are going to vote, don't - which is a massive error rate). LA Times methodology was spot on in 2012, yet you given it no credit. On the other hand....

Rasmussen had a 3 point GOP bias in 2012, so you need to knock 3 off Trump’s results.

So you won't give the LA times credit for nailing the 2012 results but only look at Rasmussen's error from 2012 only while they were off by just 1 in 2008 and nailed 2004 exactly for a 3 presidential cycle average of off by 1.3%.

From the LA Times: Tedeschi's work highlights a crucial point about polling: The numbers that polls present almost always involve a series of decisions made by pollsters, and those decisions are always subjective. Pollsters make their best efforts to get the numbers right, but given the same data, different pollsters will often come up with different results.

Tedeschi's version produces results that closely parallel the Real Clear Politics average of polls. He didn't design his approach with that in mind, but it worked out that way.

That doesn't mean it's necessarily right. Indeed, some of the biggest polling failures in recent years appear to have been worsened by pollsters who tweaked their numbers to stay close to the average -- a practice derisively referred to as "herding."

78 posted on 10/21/2016 12:03:20 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: Sam Gamgee

And what makes you such an election expert? How many elections have you run and won?


86 posted on 10/21/2016 3:15:14 PM PDT by bray (Because you would be in jail)
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