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Voters Outside Debate Venue Let Kaine Know They're Not Happy With His Abortion Flip Flop
Townhall.com ^ | October 4, 2016 | Cortney O'Brien

Posted on 10/05/2016 8:47:33 AM PDT by Colofornian

Farmville, VA - On my way into Longwood University for Tuesday night's one and only vice presidential debate, I spotted a protester wearing an anti-Tim Kaine shirt targeting the Virginia senator's abortion record. A Washington Times reporter also found Catholic protesters who traveled several miles to tell Kaine he's giving their faith a bad name.

“He says he’s a devout Catholic, but he’s not. He is 100 percent pro-abortion,” she said. “The lie that he perpetuates that ‘I’m personally against it.’ That is a lie because if you are against it you don’t vote for it 100 percent of the time.”

Kaine, who identifies as Catholic, has frustrated many voters by recently flip flopping on the Hyde Amendment. The law, which just turned 40, prohibits taxpayer funds from going toward abortion. Kaine had been in favor of the amendment for years and says he's "personally opposed" to abortion, yet after becoming Hillary Clinton's running mate, he seemed to fall more in line with her pro-abortion agenda.

Thanks to Kaine's new extreme position, Wall Street Journal's William McGurn is now referring to the Democrat as "Planned Parenthood's Tim Kaine."...

(Excerpt) Read more at townhall.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: abortionadvocate; catholic; kaine; proabortion
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This article was written prior to debate, where "Catholic" Kaine perhaps went his deepest in advocating that women abort their babies!

Kaine attempted to filter abortion as an issue where "why can't we trust women?"

For a LOT of moms of pre-natal babies, it's actually not something they even feel they have a choice over...given that if they a minor, their parent may be coercing/forcing them to have one. Same thing with young women...a partner is often coercing/forcing them to have one.

So can we "trust"...
...men who won't be "responsible" for their baby-making actions? (No)
...a man who may be trying to cover up incest/abuse upon a minor? (No)

1 posted on 10/05/2016 8:47:33 AM PDT by Colofornian
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After last night's debate, I think I began to realize how the race is likely to come down to Catholics.

And that's sad.

Because I haven't seen the Roman Catholic church or Roman Catholics rise up in provocation that a candidate representing himself as "Catholic" (Kaine) was so vehemently advocating abortion on national TV last night...

and I've YET to see any sign of public objection by Roman Catholics or the church they represent!!!


2 posted on 10/05/2016 8:50:26 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
We can stop this. Let's start a movement!


3 posted on 10/05/2016 8:51:14 AM PDT by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Colofornian

When Pence brought up the abortion and pro-life issue you could see Kaine twisting in an uncomfortable gust on that one. His facial expressions said it all. Same thing when Pence brought up the Clinton Foundation-— unease by Kainiac.


4 posted on 10/05/2016 8:54:18 AM PDT by tflabo (Truth or tyranny (agent Able Deplor))
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To: Colofornian

My wife went to an event in Hanceville Alabama on Sunday where the priest told all assembled that they HAD to vote, and whatever reservations they had about one candidates bluster and vulgarity, the other candidate would destroy religious freedom and pack the court with bad justices. The bishop of Birmingham was in attendance.

I know that is but one story, but there are others, but you are unlikely to hear them from the MSM. There are some excellent Bishops, and some who have issues.


5 posted on 10/05/2016 8:54:50 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana (There is no salvation in politics.)
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Bottom line here: There's no PERCEIVED sense of accountability for Kaine's maverick abortion-mindedness -- ranging from his personal priest to Catholic hierarchy-ists in Virginia to the average Catholic voter on the street.

It's seemingly: Ho-hum. Another Catholic pro-abortion advocate who's on a national soapbox promoting abortion? Oh.

6 posted on 10/05/2016 9:02:20 AM PDT by Colofornian
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Kill the baby at will is one of the basic tenets of the Democrat platform. I wonder how many Democrat Catholics confess to having voted RAT?


7 posted on 10/05/2016 9:04:00 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: Colofornian

As soon as any church gets to be about itself, it becomes weak.


8 posted on 10/05/2016 9:05:24 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Dr. Sivana

A clear hint about the style-vs-substance question that hangs over Donald.

To put this into stark perspective: I doubt that too many Hebrews complained about Samson winning battles for them “with the jawbone of a donkey.”

That might be even more amusing a scene than we might think, if the jawbone of the donkey had been prepared in the manner of the musical instrument — they let ants eat away the flesh and dry it, and the result is an amusing rattle of the teeth in the jawbone. Google up “Vibra Slap” for a modern equivalent.


9 posted on 10/05/2016 9:09:11 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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As soon as any church gets to be about itself, it becomes weak.

ITself?

What? The church is simply some impersonal institution?

(That's NOT the Church of the New Testament!)

The true underlying Greek NT term for "church" (ecclesia, also spelled ekklesia) "called-out ONES"...meaning the true church is personal flesh & blood -- not brick & mortar, NOT an institution; an organism, not an organization.

10 posted on 10/05/2016 9:15:07 AM PDT by Colofornian
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I grew up in a Democrat Catholic blue collar town.
My entire life I’ve been watching allegedly “Catholic” Democrat politicians who never met an abortion they would not vote for.

They routinely show up at parish festivals and dinners, and are feted like royalty. The Church’s hypocrisy on this issue truly sickens me.


11 posted on 10/05/2016 9:19:04 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Colofornian

Kaine was recently publicly rebuked by his bishop, you might have missed it.


12 posted on 10/05/2016 9:25:04 AM PDT by pbear8 (the Lord is my light and my salvation)
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Thank you for posting!! It's past time that citizens who understand their Constitution, with its foundations in Creator-endowed rights and liberty, speak out to defend both against assault from Clinton's campaign and the "progressive" movement whose ideology makes population control the centerprise of their coercive agenda.

Until now, there has existed a strange silence on the subject of her absolute insistence on promoting the "destroying" of human life in the womb.

On the underlying question moral question discussed here, nothing addresses it better than the simple logic of this quotation from Mother Teresa, who, at the National Prayer Breakfast in Washington, DC on February 3, 1994, as cited above, stated: "And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?"

Mother Teresa's declaration may be the most powerful statement in 2016 from which to begin discussions of where a candidate stands on all the questions of life and liberty.

In America, our constitutional protections rest on the Founders' premise that each and all individuals are "endowed by their Creator" with the unalienable right to both life and the liberty to enjoy it, or, in their words, "the pursuit of happiness."

The sole reason these rights were deemed unalienable is that both are derived from the Creator--not from the mother or father, and not from government or judicial decision. What is "granted" by human decision also can, by implication, be withheld.

"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them (life and liberty)," said Thomas Jefferson.

"The world is different now. . . and yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our forefathers fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state but from the hand of God." - John F. Kennedy, Inaugural Address

That understanding underlies every other consideration embodied in our Declaration of Independence and every protection of our Constitution. It is the very basis of our rights to life and liberty, of laws to protect them, and it distinguishes ours from other forms of government.

When we fail to acknowledge that foundation of our liberty, then we risk liberty itself for future generations, for where does the right to choose who lives and who does not really end?

That is why the question is of vital importance in each election. Already, we have deprived millions of their Creator-endowed rights to life and liberty, and our nation must be weaker for their loss. We need leaders who understand the implications and potential consequences of departing from our founding principles.

In recent decades, technological advances have enabled us to observe the characteristics and actions of God's tiniest creations in the womb. Unlike previous generations who could not see, we have no excuse for imagining that these are mere blobs of tissue labeled "fetuses." In their early weeks, we now can see that they are living babies who will continue on to possess life and liberty if we do not "destroy" both. Indeed, they are simply smaller versions of ourselves.

Questions on the economy, taxes, threats from terrorists, health care--all are considerations at this election time. One, however, may be basic to all others. Who will best protect the underlying premise of our Constitution--and the lives and liberties of millions yet unborn?

Promises are illusive and cheap. One fact is indisputable, however: Hillary Clinton is committed to the Far Left's agenda on this matter, and that agenda is not compatible with our Constitution's premise.

13 posted on 10/05/2016 9:44:00 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: Colofornian

Kaine has a schizophrenic anti-death penalty stance while promoting the murder of innocent babies at will. He is no Christian.


14 posted on 10/05/2016 9:45:03 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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Read this article:

Kaine and Pence clash over abortion in vice presidential debate (Today's Catholic Herald)

I read it & concluded "This is how a secular media outlet" might try to "straightforwardly" quote Kaine & then cite Kaine's digs vs. Trump.

This is NOT what I would call a "Christian" dissection of last night's debate in ANY way, shape or form.

This is an excellent sample/example that reinforces how today's American cultural Catholicism is in a state of apostasy!!!

15 posted on 10/05/2016 9:46:09 AM PDT by Colofornian
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The problem for democrats saying everyone should have a right to chose beyond letting people kill children is that they force Christians whom it is a sin to pay for those murders in the for of taxes used to pay for them.

This is not just about the right to chose it is also forcing others to pay for those murders and that is what dems stand for. We all get covered in that sin thanks to evil dems and we do not get the right to chose!!!!

16 posted on 10/05/2016 9:55:13 AM PDT by Lady Heron
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Kaine’s “it’s the law” argument is the same one the Nazi’s used in Nuremberg.

The nation is pretty evenly divided on the issue. If you believe abortion is murder, why would you run on a platform to keep abortion legal, and even force those against it to pay for it?

Being pro-life is not a private religious ritual like claiming you believe in baptism, for example. But Kaine and Hillary pretend that abortion is compatible with Christian faith.

At least that is the lie they tell publicly. In practice, it is more like a sacrament of their religion. And that religion is not Christianity.


17 posted on 10/05/2016 10:03:03 AM PDT by unlearner (RIP America, 7/4/1776 - 6/26/2015, "Only God can judge us now." - Claus Von Stauffenberg / Valkyrie)
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To: Colofornian

I was waiting for Gov. Pense to point that out.


18 posted on 10/05/2016 10:03:56 AM PDT by jch10 (Stand strong! we have a country to save!)
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Kaine is a Demokratholik like Nancy Pelosi.


19 posted on 10/05/2016 10:16:30 AM PDT by 353FMG (AMERICA MATTERS)
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What an insane narrative.

How would it work in another context?

“I’m against shoplifting but I support your right to do it.”

“I’m against child molestation but I support your right to do it.”

“I’m against wife beating but I support your right to do it.”

It’s nuts.


20 posted on 10/05/2016 10:24:54 AM PDT by Persevero (NUTS)
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