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The Internet Handover Scam
The Market-Ticker ^ | 9/30/16 | Karl Denninger

Posted on 09/30/2016 11:08:42 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007

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To: gawatchman

I see taxes, fees, and new service charges imposed on ISP owners in order to fund the world’s poor. At least that will be the excuse for some kind of money grab.


21 posted on 10/01/2016 2:44:56 AM PDT by doosee (Captain, we are approaching a new level of Hell.)
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To: doosee
Exactly. The UN will control the Internet to impose a global tax and to suppress free speech.
22 posted on 10/01/2016 3:11:26 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: SkyPilot

Yes, I don’t see anything to prevent the UN or its designated alphabet body from imposing fees, taxes etc. worldwide: if you want to use the system at all, you have to pay the UN. Isn’t that where this is headed???? And they can choose whose payments to accept...... if they want to censor some they will. They can re-assign existing addresses. I suppose an entity can ignore the UN body’s decision and try to continue with business as usual, but all sorts of addressing conflicts could arise.


23 posted on 10/01/2016 3:31:27 AM PDT by Enchante (Hillary's new campaign slogan: "Guilty as hell, free as a bird!! Laws are for peasants!")
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Thanks for posting this. I was wondering why congress was not doing anything about the handover. Now I know, and a lot more besides, and my concern has been alleviated. However it was a needless thing to do. FUBO


24 posted on 10/01/2016 3:36:31 AM PDT by SandwicheGuy (*The butter acts as a lubricant and speeds up the CPU)
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To: SkyPilot

I think it’s all about a global tax too. Interesting times.


25 posted on 10/01/2016 3:46:22 AM PDT by Baldwin77 (They hated Reagan too ! TRUMP TOUGH - AMERICA STRONG)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

even under the current, pre-handover paradigm a nation-state has always been able to mandate such censorship and in fact any private entity has been able to enforce same for their users as well! In other words there has never been anything preventing China from (for example) declaring as a matter of law that any ISP inside their nation must use a ‘root’ server set inside China that omits the declarations for “.****china”. An ISP that does not want “.xxx” or “.sex” available can run its own root, enforce that for its clients by refusing to pass port 53 traffic outside of its network for internal clients and omitting it from its own private root.

So without control being in our hands, any group like the UN can now mandate just such an action across the entire web. You can make all countries subject to just such a denial, not just your own.

Unless I am completely misunderstanding what he is writing,that to me is the crux of it.


26 posted on 10/01/2016 3:51:22 AM PDT by Adder (Proudly Deplorable.)
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To: Dallas59

I’m not a politician nor am I screaming, but I have witnessed 7+ years of government with the O_tard. He is ALWAYS on the wrong side of the issue, never on the side of the US.

That part is clear.


27 posted on 10/01/2016 3:56:38 AM PDT by Texas Fossil ((Texas is not where you were born, but a Free State of Heart, Mind & Attitude!))
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To: ifinnegan

He just disagree with Cruz and DeMint trying to solicit money for ‘this scam’.


28 posted on 10/01/2016 4:00:50 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = USSR; Journ0List + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

remember rust never sleeps, what might look innocent or for your best interest you are told could have diabolical strings attached


29 posted on 10/01/2016 4:29:26 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (I)
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To: stars & stripes forever
Hopefully a better, honest, and freer system will take this one’s place in the near future.

You can always count on the U to be fair and honest. The surrender of this to the UN will give them the ability to install a tax the wet dream of all one worlders.

Look at the insanity of the EU, where a group of elitists decide what size tea pot people in England can use.

The stability of the internet is not a technical issue, we likely can't even imagine what new capabilities lie in the near future. The real issue is political and politics is never stable in tyrannies.

30 posted on 10/01/2016 4:32:10 AM PDT by itsahoot (GOP says, Vote Trump. But if your principles won't let you, Hillary is OK.)
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To: gawatchman
All ISP’s will be under government control and not ours.

Yeah but you can keep your doctor.

31 posted on 10/01/2016 4:36:21 AM PDT by itsahoot (GOP says, Vote Trump. But if your principles won't let you, Hillary is OK.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Apparently the author doesn’t follow what Cruz been saying for months. I heard Cruz mention this at a campaign stop back in January.


32 posted on 10/01/2016 4:39:22 AM PDT by chemicalman (People who enjoy meetings should not be in charge of anything.)
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To: Kenny

But ICAAN has control of IPs & without an IP you don’t have internet connection. Takes a fool to ignore that danger.””

Exactly, and let the refrain from the sheeple scream, “IT CAN’T HAPPEN HERE.” Yeah, like we could never have an African muslim president represent Islam and ignore decent American citizens.


33 posted on 10/01/2016 4:47:06 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed)
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To: Kenny
But ICAAN has control of IPs & without an IP you don’t have internet connection. Takes a fool to ignore that danger.

What he said was ICANN controls IPV4. Nobody controls IPV6. He left out the fact that nobody controls nonroutable IPV4. You can create your own nonroutable IPV4 addresses in your house. Your ISP creates its own nonroutable IPv4 addresses. At some point your ISP will route your packets somewhere and that part is messy for IPv4 but it works and will continue to work.

34 posted on 10/01/2016 4:50:16 AM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: Neoliberalnot

Having an IP address is necessary for an internet connection but there isn’t an ISP in the world that won’t issue you an IP address. It will be nonroutable but it will work unless the ISP is not an ISP. Can your ISP be cut off by refusing to route? Sure but then its ISP isn’t an ISP.


35 posted on 10/01/2016 4:53:16 AM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: doosee
>>in order to fund the world’s poor murdering dictators
36 posted on 10/01/2016 5:01:49 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs, RINOs......same thing.)
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To: palmer; Neoliberalnot; Kenny
Let me add one more fact to the IP debate. There is no way you or I are going to be cut off from the internet because of ICANN control of IPv4. The next question is whether someone supplying content can be censored via IP addressing. The answer is also no.

You can go to a virtual server provider like digital ocean and get yourself a routable IP (plus a decent virtual server) for $5 / month. You obviously don't have to do that, just get a wordpress blog or 1000 alternatives for $0 a month with embedded ads or $3 /month without ads. Can those guys cut you off? Sure, and in two minutes you can set up somewhere else.

The caveat with all of this stuff is that turning over ICANN will give them the potential to censor and balkanize the internet. If for example you had to keep hopping from free hosting to free hosting without a domain name or subdomain name, it's going to be very hard for people to find you. That problem is solved too (e.g. TOR) but then you will be serving up content alongside porn servers.

37 posted on 10/01/2016 5:02:52 AM PDT by palmer (turn into nonpaper w no identifying heading and send nonsecure)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

—bflr—


38 posted on 10/01/2016 5:08:28 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the media or government says about firearms or explosives--)
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To: Enchante; Lera; Roman_War_Criminal; SaveFerris; pastorbillrandles
And they can choose whose payments to accept...... if they want to censor some they will.

I think you hit on a very cogent point, namely, that the handover of the Internet to the UN will not only suppress speech and freedom and impose taxes, but will also involve how that tax and things are paid for.

Control of who can buy and sell.

39 posted on 10/01/2016 5:19:20 AM PDT by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Well, I agree that it should’ve been dealt with before now, but most things in Congress get put off until they’re at crisis level.
But we sure as hell don’t need to turn over the internet to some UN clowns.


40 posted on 10/01/2016 5:46:02 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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