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Libertarian Author Charles Murray Calls for Pause in Low-Skill Immigration
Breitbart ^ | 27 Sep 2016 | Neil Munro

Posted on 09/28/2016 5:50:44 AM PDT by oblomov

Leading libertarian thinker Charles Murray is now urging a halt to the immigration of lower-skilled workers, because the cutoff of extra labor may persuade employers and political leaders to revive declining communities of lower-skilled Americans.

“I have had to undergo a great deal of rethinking on all of this this year… [now] I want to shut down low-skill immigration for a while,” Charles Murray told a D.C. event hosted by the Center for Immigration Studies.

“The thing that has gotten to me over this year … has been the very simple idea that the citizens of a nation owe something to each other that is over and above our general obligation to other human beings” outside the United States, Murray said Sept. 26.

A temporary end to low-skill immigration will allow a national test of various proposals to help the many Americans at the bottom end of the economic scale, Murray said. For example, amid high immigration, several million Americans “prime age” employable men are not even trying to work, at great long-term cost to themselves and society.

Once low-skilled immigration is ended, society may react in favorable directions to help lower-end Americans workers, he said. For example, the girlfriends of young men will be better able to prod their boyfriends into taking low-skill, low-paid jobs if their employers can’t hire illegals, Murray said.

But Murray says he only wants a temporary moratorium on low-skill immigration in case the new policy proves counterproductive. “I want to shut if down for a while because it may not work … [currently] we will have no good way of knowing how employers will respond until the spigot is cut off,” he said.

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To: bk1000
Who will do the “jobs Americans won’t do”?

"They do the jobs Americans won't do" has become a self-fulfilling prophecy. What it really means is that Americans won't do these jobs for Mexican or Guatemalan wages, since illegals can be paid under the table at a dollar or two an hour.

When I was a kid, there wasn't a single Mexican or Central American "migrant worker" in my town. Yet as I recall, somehow the berries and vegetables in the local farms were picked, the landscaping got done, and the trash cans were emptied.

21 posted on 09/28/2016 7:22:09 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: oblomov

Who said intellectuals were smart? This guy always gets on my nerves.


22 posted on 09/28/2016 7:25:44 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: oblomov

High skilled H-1B visas should be slashed to zero too.


23 posted on 09/28/2016 7:27:24 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: PGR88

And a lot of people are out of work because there is no work thanks to Obama’s dreadful economy.


24 posted on 09/28/2016 7:27:56 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: bk1000

If you buy the “jobs Americans won’t do” meme BS then you don’t belong here.


25 posted on 09/28/2016 7:28:48 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: ek_hornbeck
When I was a kid, there wasn't a single Mexican or Central American "migrant worker" in my town. Yet as I recall, somehow the berries and vegetables in the local farms were picked, the landscaping got done, and the trash cans were emptied.

Amazing isn't it?

26 posted on 09/28/2016 7:29:40 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: miss marmelstein
And a lot of people are out of work because there is no work thanks to Obama’s dreadful economy.

American society is corrupted in the long-term as well. Over decades we have created a near permanent, ill-educated, entitled underclass, who are destined for dependency regardless of the economy. Obama's typically statist, socialist, interventionist economy has simply added even more perverse disincentives to hire and work.

Yet there are many jobs out there. They may be low wage entry, but there are jobs. In agriculture and transport for example, companies are desperate for workers who can pass a drug test, have basic hygiene, and will simply show up on time. Many Americans now can't even manage that.

27 posted on 09/28/2016 7:44:40 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: oblomov
“The thing that has gotten to me over this year … has been the very simple idea that the citizens of a nation owe something to each other that is over and above our general obligation to other human beings”

outside the United States...

OMG! Someone 'gets it'...

28 posted on 09/28/2016 7:49:15 AM PDT by GOPJ ("..unbridled ambition, greedy..with a husband still dicking bimbos at home"- Colin Powell on Clinton)
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To: Paladin2
We need to limit low IQ immigration. They will most likely be ‘Rat voters.

Jason Richwine, formerly at the Heritage foundation, performed a study of the IQ's of recent Mexican and Central American immigrants, legal and illegal, and found that their average IQs were in the mid-80's (upper 70's are considered borderline retardation). The average IQ in Mexico itself isn't unreasonably low, i.e. in the mid-90's, which means that we're getting the dregs of the dregs as immigrants.

29 posted on 09/28/2016 7:52:01 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: PGR88

If schools went back to some sort of dress code, people might learn about hygiene and dressing properly for a job. I’m in culinary school now and I can’t believe the way kids show up to class. They’re clean, anyway, they have to be or are thrown out of class.


30 posted on 09/28/2016 8:06:24 AM PDT by miss marmelstein (Richard the Third: With my own people alone I should like to drive away the Muslims)
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To: miss marmelstein
If schools went back to some sort of dress code, people might learn about hygiene and dressing properly for a job.

Its all about what society expects and demands. My Dad grew up in a single-parent home and was quite poor in a very working-class, Eastern European immigrant neighborhood in NY. Yet his public school expected every boy to show up with a coat and tie, otherwise, they were sent home. Parents complied.

Imagine trying that now? American society has been reduced to the lowest-common denominator. Its not something that can be fixed by one President.

31 posted on 09/28/2016 8:21:09 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: oblomov

Brilliant! /s


32 posted on 09/28/2016 8:24:10 AM PDT by stocksthatgoup (when the MSM wants your opinion, they will give it to you Leary is this)
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To: GOPJ

Possibly of interest:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-nation_conservatism


33 posted on 09/28/2016 9:31:29 AM PDT by oblomov (We have passed the point where "law," properly speaking, has any further application. - C. Thomas)
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To: oblomov
Nice.

In essence it's loyalty first to family, then to community then to country.

Sane government choices mimics the values of healthy happy families... We've all met the power freaked PTA mother who ignores her own children... or a President Obama who puts the needs of 'third world workers' ahead of his countrymen.

Thanks for the link.

34 posted on 09/28/2016 9:39:50 AM PDT by GOPJ ("..unbridled ambition, greedy..with a husband still dicking bimbos at home"- Colin Powell on Clinton)
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To: oblomov

ROBINSON JEFFERS (1937) - I really like the poem... never ran into it before. Thanks for sharing that with all of us.


35 posted on 09/28/2016 9:50:27 AM PDT by GOPJ ("..unbridled ambition, greedy..with a husband still dicking bimbos at home"- Colin Powell on Clinton)
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To: GOPJ

You might also find this film interesting, if you aren’t familiar with it already. It’s one of my favorites for the brilliant acting alone, and the plot is a not-too-subtle metaphor for the unexpected triumph of traditional values amid what seems like a hopeless situation:
http://staticmass.net/classic/the-ladykillers-movie-1955-review/


36 posted on 09/28/2016 10:00:21 AM PDT by oblomov (We have passed the point where "law," properly speaking, has any further application. - C. Thomas)
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To: oblomov

The weird thing about such Libertarians is that they seem to believe that Libertarianism will survive unfettered immigration and no enforcement of national borders. What is the typical form of governance in the Third World? Authoritarian dictatorship, which is exactly what they’ll get if they have their way on immigration. It’s naive beyond belief, what they’re pushing. I’ve had my day thinking I was Libertarian for a few years, but this was one of the issues that pushed me away. It’s sheer stupidity.


37 posted on 09/28/2016 10:05:34 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: GOPJ; oblomov
In essence it's loyalty first to family, then to community then to country. Sane government choices mimics the values of healthy happy families... We've all met the power freaked PTA mother who ignores her own children... or a President Obama who puts the needs of 'third world workers' ahead of his countrymen.

Globalization has created a transnational elite (what Samuel Huntington called "Davos Man") who share a stronger affinity with one another than they do with their own countrymen. In other words, a member of America's corporate, financial, or government elite have more loyalty to the interests of the elites of other countries than with the middle and working classes of their own countries. By extension, they think that their own middle and working classes are disposable and interchangeable with those of other countries (through immigration and outsourcing) when it's convenient.

38 posted on 09/28/2016 10:08:20 AM PDT by ek_hornbeck
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To: ek_hornbeck
Globalization has created a transnational elite (what Samuel Huntington called "Davos Man") who share a stronger affinity with one another than they do with their own countrymen. In other words, a member of America's corporate, financial, or government elite have more loyalty to the interests of the elites of other countries than with the middle and working classes of their own countries. By extension, they think that their own middle and working classes are disposable and interchangeable with those of other countries (through immigration and outsourcing) when it's convenient.

Kind of like the 'citizen of the world' concept... interesting hornbeck. Where do you think it will lead to in the future? Oh, and thanks for the insightful comment...much to think about.

39 posted on 09/28/2016 1:29:49 PM PDT by GOPJ (If Lester Holt's too stupid to ask follow-ups without an ear piece to democrat operatives, pull him.)
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To: oblomov
The Major, a conman, is a caricature of the decadent military ruling class. One Round is the oafish representative of the British masses. Harry is the spiv, the worthless younger generation. Louis is the dangerously unassimilated foreigner. They are a composite cartoon of Britain’s corruption. The tiny figure of Mrs Wilberforce is plainly a much diminished Britannia. Her house is in a cul-de-sac. Shabby and cluttered with memories of the days when Britain’s navy ruled the world and captains gallantly stayed on the bridge as their ship went down, her house is structurally unsound.

I long for old movies when figuring out the metaphors was half the fun... Thanks for sharing oblomov...

40 posted on 09/28/2016 1:36:22 PM PDT by GOPJ (If Lester Holt's too stupid to ask follow-ups without an ear piece to democrat operatives, pull him.)
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