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The Kremlin Really Believes That Hillary Wants to Start a War With Russia
Foreign Policy.com ^ | September 7, 2016 | Clinton Ehrlich

Posted on 09/09/2016 1:56:16 PM PDT by Ancesthntr

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To: Sam Gamgee

America funds terrorism and Iran also. What is it now? $13 Billion in Gold and cash? We trained the “moderates” in Egypt, Libya, and Syria.

I think it is time to go back to the days when our coin had “Mind your business” printed on them. Russia can be a great ally, just quit pretending we are a goody two shoes, and they are the evil empire already.


61 posted on 09/09/2016 6:06:42 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: Ancesthntr

I agree totally.


62 posted on 09/09/2016 6:08:12 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: Glad2bnuts

Well if Soros has broken Russian securities and monetary transaction law as I have seen claimed. Russia then tries Sores in absentia if necessary and if convicted request the US extradite. Soros was convicted of similar violations in a French Court as far as I know the French have never requested extradition. Statue of limitations (If they have such a thing in French law!) may have run out. The Russians I suspect are of stronger stiff and might not be so lackadaisical about Sores breaking their law.


63 posted on 09/09/2016 6:12:17 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Glad2bnuts

Well if Soros has broken Russian securities and monetary transaction law as I have seen claimed. Russia then tries Sores in absentia if necessary and if convicted request the US extradite. Soros was convicted of similar violations in a French Court as far as I know the French have never requested extradition. Statue of limitations (If they have such a thing in French law!) may have run out. The Russians I suspect are of stronger stiff and might not be so lackadaisical about Sores breaking their law.


64 posted on 09/09/2016 6:12:29 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Ancesthntr

If Hitlery wins, I’m moving to Moscow.


65 posted on 09/09/2016 6:15:03 PM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Amount of CS paid is inversely proportionate to Mother's actual parenting of children)
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To: ETL
Given that Putin was a minor player in the KGB and Bush 41 was head of the CIA, by your logic it's reasonable for most of the world to see the US as a threat to them since we welcome CIA chiefs as President.

If the US can't make a reasonable arrangement to be at peace with and cooperating with Russia on a broad range of problems it's going to unnecessarily cost us a lot of blood and treasure just like not listening to them about Afghanistan has.

66 posted on 09/09/2016 6:17:00 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: BenLurkin

Extremism in support of Liberty is no Vice per Barry Goldwater.


67 posted on 09/09/2016 6:17:56 PM PDT by greeneyes
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To: Reily

Do you think America would honor an extradition request? What country would? Maybe Cuba, or Venezuela.


68 posted on 09/09/2016 6:26:05 PM PDT by Glad2bnuts (If Republicans are not prepared to carry on the Revolution of 1776, prepare for a communist takeover)
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To: Glad2bnuts

Don’t know!
I don’t even know if we have a formal extradition treaty with Russia.


69 posted on 09/09/2016 6:29:18 PM PDT by Reily
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To: Rashputin
Given that Putin was a minor player in the KGB and Bush 41 was head of the CIA, by your logic it's reasonable for most of the world to see the US as a threat to them since we welcome CIA chiefs as President.

You're equating the CIA to the Russian KGB?

70 posted on 09/09/2016 6:30:33 PM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...Never Hillary!)
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From a 2007 article titled "Putin's Russia"...

"KGB influence 'soars under Putin,' " blared the headline of a BBC online article for December 13, 2006. The following day, a similar headline echoed a similarly alarming story at the website of Der Spiegel, one of Germany's largest news magazines: "Putin's Russia: Kremlin Riddled with Former KGB Agents."

In the opening sentences of Der Spiegel's article, readers are informed that: "Four out of five members of Russia's political and business elite have a KGB past, according to a new study by the prestigious [Russian] Academy of Sciences. The influence of ex-Soviet spies has ballooned under President Vladimir Putin."

The study, which looked at 1,061 top Kremlin, regional, and corporate jobs, found that "78 percent of the Russian elite" are what are known in Russia as "siloviki," which is to say, former members of the KGB or its domestic successor, the FSB. The author of the study, Olga Kryshtanovskaya, expressed shock at her own findings. "I was very shocked when I looked at the boards of major companies and realized there were lots of people who had completely unknown names, people who were not public but who were definitely, obvious siloviki," she told Reuters.

Other supposed experts - in Russia and the West - have also expressed surprise and alarm at the apparent resurrection of the dreaded Soviet secret police. After all, for the past decade and a half these same experts have been pointing to the alleged demise of the KGB as the primary evidence supporting their claim that communism is dead.

From the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917, the Russian security apparatus Cheka (and its later permutations: OGPU, NKVD, MGB, KGB) had been the "sword and shield" of the communist world revolution.

"We stand for organized terror," declared Felix Dzerzhinsky, the first chief of the Cheka for Soviet dictator Vladimir Lenin. In 1918, Dzerzhinsky launched the campaign of arrests and executions known as the Red Terror. Krasnaya Gazeta, the Bolshevik newspaper, expressed the Chekist credo when it reported approvingly in 1918 of the terror campaign: "We will make our hearts cruel, hard and immovable, so that no mercy will enter them, and so that they will not quiver at the sight of a sea of enemy blood."

Unflinching cruelty and merciless, bloody terror have been the trademark of the communist secret police, from the Cheka to the KGB. Obviously, the demise of such an organization would be cause for much rejoicing. Hence, when the KGB was ordered dissolved and its chairman, General Vladimir Kryuchkov, was arrested in 1991 after attempting to overthrow "liberal reformer" Mikhail Gorbachev in the failed "August Coup," many people in the West were only too willing to pop the champagne corks and start celebrating our supposed victory over the Evil Empire.

But, as Mikhail Leontiyev, commentator for Russia's state-controlled Channel One television, recently noted, repeating a phrase popular among the siloviki: "Americans got so drunk at the USSR's funeral that they're still hung over." And stumbling around in their post-inebriation haze, many of these Americans have only recently begun noticing that they had prematurely written the KGB's epitaph, even as it was arising vampire-like from the coffin.

However, there is really no excuse for Olga Kryshtanovskaya or any of her American counterparts to be stunned by the current siloviki dominance in Putin's Russia. For nearly a decade, even before he became Russia's "president," THE NEW AMERICAN has been reporting on Putin's KGB pedigree and his steady implementation of a long-range Soviet deception strategy, including the public rehabilitation and refortifying of the KGB-FSB. ..."

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http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/europe/item/8420-putins-russia

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"For 16 years Putin was an officer in the KGB, rising to the rank of Lieutenant Colonel before he retired to enter politics in his native Saint Petersburg in 1991.

He moved to Moscow in 1996 and joined President Boris Yeltsin's administration where he rose quickly, becoming Acting President on 31 December 1999 when Yeltsin unexpectedly resigned. Putin won the subsequent 2000 presidential election, despite widespread accusations of vote-rigging,[3] and was reelected in 2004."

"On 25 July 1998, Yeltsin appointed Vladimir Putin head of the FSB (one of the successor agencies to the KGB), the position Putin occupied until August 1999. He became a permanent member of the Security Council of the Russian Federation on 1 October 1998 and its Secretary on 29 March 1999."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Putin


71 posted on 09/09/2016 6:44:02 PM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...Never Hillary!)
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To: Ancesthntr
Putin communism and clintobamian communism are not compatible.
In the end, there can be only one.
72 posted on 09/09/2016 6:45:52 PM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: Ancesthntr

I believe Soros wants war with Russia. Hillary wants her bank accounts filled.


73 posted on 09/09/2016 7:08:56 PM PDT by Dr.Deth
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To: ETL
If you think they differ in anything other than detail your grasp of reality is somewhere between slim and nonexistent.

They and the KGB when it existed were two sides of the same coin. Whether whatever replaced the KGB is any different I don't know but I seriously doubt it since I'm sure they just picked up the pieces and went back to work.

74 posted on 09/09/2016 7:15:48 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Rashputin

Who the hell side are you on?


75 posted on 09/09/2016 7:19:11 PM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...Never Hillary!)
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To: ETL
I'm on the side of the United States, fought in VN for the United States, and think stupid twits who ask which side I'm on just because I can read the opium production statistics for SE Asia before and after we arrived along with the opium production statistics for Afghanistan before and after we arrived and see a pattern of aiding in the destruction of the US citizenry that no US agency should be leaving in their wake.

And that's just one, easy to find and impossible to deny item that shows a pattern of behavior that puts the interests of a small minority of the US population and world markets well ahead of the needs of the majority of the population

76 posted on 09/09/2016 7:27:26 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Rashputin

So why then do you seem to keep trying to make excuses for Putin?


77 posted on 09/09/2016 7:31:41 PM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...Never Hillary!)
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To: ETL
What excuses? Are you a dunce or paid to be stupid ?

A realistic appraisal isn't an excuse. Putin is what he is and he puts Russia first, not conquest, not expansion, not destruction of the US, not confrontation with the US or Europe. That can work in our favor or we can be stupid and beat the table with our little shoe and pretend he's the incarnation of Satan.

And if he is, how the Hell does being realistic about our goals and his compare to our being cozy allies with Stalin's Soviet Union ?

We could have left Stalin to sink or swim on his own and shed more blood in Europe ourselves but we did the smart thing and made a deal with the Devil. Now we should be stupid and shed as much blood and treasure as possible because some people don't like Putin and aren't bright enough to read anything that doesn't agree with their preconceptions?

78 posted on 09/09/2016 7:43:47 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: Rashputin
Putin is what he is and he puts Russia first, not conquest, not expansion, not destruction of the US, not confrontation with the US or Europe.

You must live in one of those alternative universes cosmologists talk about.

79 posted on 09/09/2016 7:51:48 PM PDT by ETL (God PLEASE help America...Never Hillary!)
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To: ETL
Sure, whatever you say.

Have a nice day

80 posted on 09/09/2016 7:53:38 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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