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Obese patients and smokers banned from routine surgery in ´most severe ever´ rationing in the NHS
Telegraph ^ | 9/4/16 | Henry Bodkin

Posted on 09/04/2016 8:39:07 AM PDT by Nachum

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To: Texas Eagle

Yes, the infamous, never going to happen death panels.


21 posted on 09/04/2016 9:12:45 AM PDT by TheDon (BO must be replaced immediately for the good of the nation and the world!)
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To: TheDon
Yes, the infamous, never going to happen death panels.

Morbidly obese people and smokers have already set up their own death panel and voted.

22 posted on 09/04/2016 9:15:50 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Nuke Saudi Arabia now)
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To: ravenwolf
Why would they ever have to operate on some one who does not get fat or smoke?

There would be nothing wrong with them.

Well I am 5'6", 135 lbs and have a ruptured disc in my lower back. It happened when I was pregnant with my son. I have never had a weight problem, and at the time I was actually thinner but for the baby weight, but I do have scoliosis. So that was the combo that did it for me.

I don't qualify for surgery because I am in shape and functional. I have to be satisfied with spinal steroid injections every 3 months. The people I do know who have had surgery to correct it are all obese!! Yeah, that does piss me off to no end.

23 posted on 09/04/2016 9:17:46 AM PDT by To Hell With Poverty (No one in the field is voting for Frail, Pale and Belongs in Jail.)
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To: DUMBGRUNT

“A black hole is correct, but is it OK to say that?”

Nope. John Wiley Price says it’s racist and you should say white hole.


24 posted on 09/04/2016 9:21:26 AM PDT by tuffydoodle ("Never underestimate the total depravity of the average human being.")
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To: redfreedom

Nothing like dodging oncoming side-by-side convoys in the aisles when Lardbutt Lady and Daddys Little Fat are each on one of those and on a sugar run.


25 posted on 09/04/2016 9:21:46 AM PDT by digger48
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To: Nachum

Saw a show on tv about a 600 pound person who had to go on a diet before getting gastric bypass surgery. Go figure.


26 posted on 09/04/2016 9:27:55 AM PDT by umgud (ban all infidelaphobics)
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To: Neoliberalnot
but queers that vector infectious disease and receive genital mutilation surgery and steroids for life must have top priority.

that's right ! No smoking, but repeated bouts of hepatitis, HPV, herpes, syphilis, gonorrhea, chlamydia as well as chronic substance abuse and HIV - no problem !

btw a BMI of 30 for a six foot man is 225 pounds, maybe to heavy but not huge.

27 posted on 09/04/2016 9:30:15 AM PDT by Reverend Wright ( "Stop smiling and smirking like it's a funny thing !")
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To: Nachum

Physicians think twice before operating on obese patients. The procedure is harder to do , having to go through layers of fat . Theobese patient has a much higher complication rate. Infection is a huge risk factor. When your complication rate is elevated due to operating on obese patients, you run the risk of losing insurance provider status and having your complications reviewed by the hospital. It is not worth the risk. If you want surgery, lose the weight.


28 posted on 09/04/2016 9:44:02 AM PDT by kaila
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To: kaila

If you want surgery, lose the weight.

quite true...


29 posted on 09/04/2016 9:49:27 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

If you’re generally unhealthy, no problem. I would be considered obese by most health charts, however, my cholesterol, blood pressure, and bloodwork come back perfect every visit. My husband and son, on the other hand are the ones who max out our health insurance deductible every year for tests, surgeries, etc...

I am on no prescriptions. I have a Thyroid prescription that I let run out and don’t take because it didn’t help me feel any better. I manage my Thyroid symptoms with supplements and food choices.

My husband and son (whose 24) are on multiple prescriptions.

Human beings always have to pick on a class of people to feel better about themselves. Can’t pick on blacks, gays, hispanics or muslims, so it’s open season on anyone who is a little rounder than most.

My Mother in law who is highly “fit” according to weight charts has been in the hospital too many times for me to count and on too many prescriptions for me to know them all.

Every disease, illness, or injury is ALWAYS attributed to weight. I personally think they should just add “being human”. Even skinny, fit, and socially desirable people get sick, get cancer and die.

This hypothyroid, 50 year old woman gave up on her thyroid medication because it didn’t help, had multiple Dr’s who had no idea what to do, can’t eat a huge list of foods, eats 1/2 of what a “normal” person eats, is bigger than most women, and gets verbally shamed by complete strangers.

Fortunately, I’m not a teenage, insecure girl, and tell people to Eff Off when I need to.


30 posted on 09/04/2016 9:53:57 AM PDT by No Socialist
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To: Nachum
You're all smoking crack. Single-Payer Healthcare is the way to go.

The 2012 London Olympics told me so.

31 posted on 09/04/2016 9:57:12 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Nachum
they prolly sat on their azzes while on the dole and got fat, now they want the same taxpayers to pay for an operation, same as here but here they get the operation
32 posted on 09/04/2016 10:00:01 AM PDT by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING!)
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To: No Socialist

The complex and sophisticated rationalizations that fat people invent to justify fatitude, is one reason they are a menace to society. That and they way they drive those carts at Walmart.


33 posted on 09/04/2016 10:01:07 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Nuke Saudi Arabia now)
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To: Nachum

That should cut costs by about 90%.


34 posted on 09/04/2016 10:02:57 AM PDT by bgill (From the CDC site, "We don't know how people are infected with Ebola")
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To: Reverend Wright

Agree. My BMI is 25 but I work dang hard at it. People who smoke and are overweight are not spreading diseases to other people, innocent people, in many cases. It seems nothing is too good for the pervert alliance. After all, they have us all calling them “gay” and homowood says they are normal.

I support the right of people to eat and smoke as they wish. I don’t do either but I certainly don’t condemn them.


35 posted on 09/04/2016 10:02:58 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarm)
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To: Chode
they prolly sat on their azzes while on the dole and got fat, now they want the same taxpayers to pay for an operation, same as here but here they get the operation

Former UK fatso (75 stone) Paul Mason cost the UK health care system a huge amount of money. Estimated at more than a million pounds.

36 posted on 09/04/2016 10:04:23 AM PDT by Ethan Clive Osgoode (Nuke Saudi Arabia now)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
and prolly never had a productive day in his life
37 posted on 09/04/2016 10:07:17 AM PDT by Chode (You Owe Them Nothing - Not Respect, Not Loyalty, Not Obedience, NOTHING!)
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To: uncbob; To Hell With Poverty

I am 80 years old and have smoked from one to four packs a day for at least 65 years, I have some stopped up arteries, some of the doctors has told me that quiting smoking was the best cure.

If stopping smoking is the miracle cure then why did they come up with stents and by passes, the doctor who is going to do a bypass has not even mentioned smoking.

My primary doctor told me that after all of the studies done on smoking they have came to only one conclusion, that is, it is best not to smoke, if you do smoke it is best not to worry about it.

To hell with Poverty: Chances are when it is time for you to get the operation they will find that it should have been done sooner.

That is the way they work, it is not what is best for you, it is what is best for them, they will give you an appointment to come bnack in a month when you should have been operated on yesterday.


38 posted on 09/04/2016 10:08:03 AM PDT by ravenwolf (ionessions)
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To: martin_fierro
The 2012 London Olympics told me so.

I thought it was a hoot that they didn't even bother with trying to use any subtlety in their message.

39 posted on 09/04/2016 10:09:22 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode

I am a nurse, and I remember when a morbidly obese patient who had knee pain asked me if she should have her insurance pay for a wheelchair so she could get around at work. I told her that it would be better for her health to try to ambulate, instead of using a wheelchair. I was very nice about it, but perplexed that this obese woman did not even want to walk at her secretary job a few feet per day in her office. For that, I got a complaint letter to my supervisor from this obese patient. Her complaint was ignored. In my current job we are told not to use the word “obese” because that is now considered insulting. I cannot wait for retirement. I am sure the Bit doctors are very happy about this rule.


40 posted on 09/04/2016 10:09:49 AM PDT by kaila
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