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1 posted on 08/26/2016 2:51:36 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT
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FYI this is where Trump could lose.


2 posted on 08/26/2016 2:52:22 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (Cards are being played, you have been Trumped! TRUMP 2016!)
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You might already know we have a pretty weird system for electing presidents. Candidates can win with fewer votes, some states matter more than others, some votes matter more than others, and all due to an ad hoc political compromise between 18th century wigged gentlemen. Per their decision, we don’t vote for our leaders directly, but instead choose intermediaries, known as electors, who then (usually) vote for who we tell them to. Since each state is given two free electors regardless of how few people live there, voters from sparsely populated states like Wyoming are able to pack over three times the electoral punch than in large states like California.

So it’s been for the past 57 presidential elections, and so it shall be this November when we decide whether Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump should be our next Commander in Chief.

But the situation is even weirder than you think.

According to Professor Steven Brams, a political scientist and game theorist at NYU who has been working on electoral decision problems since the 1970s, there is a non-obvious effect that gives more power to the large states than their large populations would suggest. His research indicates that campaign resources should be allocated to states according to their electoral votes to the three-halves power. Why this is so involves advanced combinatorial math, for the initiated only, but the outcome is that if one state has four times the electoral votes of another state, rather than give it quadruple the attention and ads, it’s in a campaign’s interest to give it eight times as much, all else being equal. (It may be a dubious proposition that this is in any way advantageous to the citizens of these large states, as they get bombarded with mailers and 30-second TV ads, but it is a reflection of how valuable their votes are to the campaigns competing for them.)

This isn’t just an academic result, Brams told me. Studies show campaigns actually do allocate their resources this way. If anything, they over-invest in the large states. As 1964’s Republican nominee Barry Goldwater put it, you have to “go shooting where the ducks are.” Because most states’ electoral votes are bundled into winner-take-all blocs, a large state like Ohio with its 18 electors can easily become must-win for either side.

One way to understand this phenomenon is to imagine an extreme case in which a number of large states merge into an even larger one. Let’s call it New Texaflohioginia. Let’s further envision that New Texaflohioginia is worth a total of 270 electoral votes, and that all the remaining states are worth a total of 268. In this thought experiment, a candidate could safely ignore anyone living in those smaller states since whoever manages to win New Texaflohioginia will get all 270 of its votes, enough to outweigh all the other states combined, and therefore enough to win the presidency.

So which states have more influence per voter then, the big states or the smaller ones? It’s not an easy question to answer since there are factors pushing in opposite directions, and they interact in ways which are asymmetrical and complex. Small states get more electors per voter, while the big states form larger blocs which cluster their influence into unignorable masses. According to Brams, “you might think the small states would have an advantage because of the plus two votes they get, but the winner-take-all aspect swamps the small state effect.”

But not everyone agrees with this analysis. Professor Andrew Gelman, a statistician and political scientist at Columbia University, points to a study of his which he says shows the real-life distribution of votes following a different pattern from the one predicted by Brams et al. In his view, the theory of a large state bias lacks empirical backing and thus the “small states are slightly overrepresented because of how they all get three electoral votes.”

Even if academics aren’t in agreement on the knotty ways in which the votes of small and large states interact, there is one distinction that is widely agreed on: the one between swing states and non-swing states. The system “is motivating candidates to campaign in swing states, so a few states become very important and nobody else matters,” Gelman said. In a state like New York, for instance, democrats have won by an average of 26 percent in the last five presidential elections, and always by at least 20%. Since the outcome is generally not in question, an individual vote, or even a few thousand votes, cannot alter the result. What’s more, if a solidly blue state like New York does happen to be close in a particular election, that would almost certainly indicate a national landslide in favor of Republicans, as in 1984, when Ronald Reagan won New York--and every other state, excepting only Minnesota and the District of Columbia.

Most states are lopsidedly red or blue in this way. Only a very few are competitive, and candidates limit their charm offensives to these few battleground states. “In most states your vote doesn’t count. You may as well not have voted at all,” Brams said.

So which states do matter? For starters, Pennsylvania. Trump recently claimed that if he doesn’t win in that state, it will be because Clinton cheated. Given the current polls, that is highly dubious, but for a while its rust belt voters seemed receptive enough to the Republican nominee’s populist message. Florida too will certainly be at the top of both candidates’ wishlists. Its importance was amply demonstrated in 2000 when a mere few hundred votes were the difference in Florida’s electoral delegation swinging to George W. Bush instead of Al Gore, thereby winning him the presidency. Trump may now be regretting the way he insulted Florida’s popular Senator “little Marco” Rubio and ex-Governor Jeb “low energy” Bush.

Then there’s Ohio. No Republican has ever won the presidency without winning Ohio, and Democrats have managed to overturn the will of Ohioans just once. According to the nonprofit organization FairVote, in 2012 Mitt Romney held more campaign events in Ohio than in all 30 of the smallest states combined. (Ohio still opted for Barack Obama.) The New York Times reports that Ohio Governor John Kaisich was offered--and turned down--the Republican VP slot. Hillary Clinton had more luck, luring the ex-governor of Virginia, another swing state, onto her ticket. Other swing states include Iowa, Nevada, Colorado, New Hampshire, North Carolina, and possibly Wisconsin and Michigan.

If one purpose of our grueling year-long presidential campaigns is to create a national conversation about the major issues facing the country, then most Americans are not being invited into that discussion. The current system creates the incentive for candidates to moneyball the electoral college in all its kludgy non-egalitarian intricacies. These Byzantine strategeries are both opportunity and necessity for modern campaigns.

As we gear up for an election so operatic and wacky it makes House of Cards look prosaic by comparison, it’s natural that the more urgent question of Clinton versus Trump remains at the forefront of our minds. But hovering above all the targeted ad dollars and campaign stops in the same old states, we might also pause to wonder: does democracy really need to be more complicated than “most votes wins”? However, the electoral college is written into the constitution and is not likely to be amended anytime soon. Let’s hope Pennsylvania, Ohio and Florida pick us a good president.

4 posted on 08/26/2016 2:56:16 PM PDT by Ray76 (Americanism, not globalism, will be our credo!)
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That was a lot of reading only to learn the obvious.

If you want to win the Presidency, you got to win Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania.


6 posted on 08/26/2016 3:02:04 PM PDT by Timpanagos1
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Paragraphs are your friend.


8 posted on 08/26/2016 3:03:37 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, deport all illegal aliens, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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‘does democracy really need to be more complicated than “most votes wins”? ‘

If one doesn’t want the mob to rule, then yes.

“Existential” is such a popular word these days- the author could have considered WHY some states are swing states.
A fun read anyway, despite it’s undertone.


11 posted on 08/26/2016 3:13:36 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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Of course this is assuming all the voting & vote counting is on the up & up & with electronic machines,there’s no assurance of that.


12 posted on 08/26/2016 3:14:37 PM PDT by oldtech
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT

Scientific American has fallen a long way in content over the years.


14 posted on 08/26/2016 3:21:21 PM PDT by Paladin2 (auto spelchk? BWAhaha2haaa.....I aint't likely fixin' nuttin'. Blame it on the Bossa Nova...)
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Play that funky electoral college white boy!


16 posted on 08/26/2016 3:22:03 PM PDT by xp38
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Paragraphs are our friends.

Oh, my eyes.


21 posted on 08/26/2016 3:32:25 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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What’s weird about sates having equal representation rather than NYC LA and Chicongo running rough shod over the rest of us?


26 posted on 08/26/2016 3:38:10 PM PDT by rey
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I stopped reading when he said each state gets at least two electors.

It’s either a typo, or he is an idiot. Each state gets at least three.


30 posted on 08/26/2016 3:44:05 PM PDT by Vermont Lt
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Sigh. His math is just plain wrong. Our system actually increases each peraon’s voting power regardless of the state they are in. His 270 electoral vote super-state is a straw man.

Long week, too beat to chew through the math here. But again, he is just plain wrong.


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40 posted on 08/26/2016 3:55:43 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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Paragraphs are your friend

The EC exists because otherwise population concentrations would overwhelm the interests of more rural areas it happens to be a very good way of electing presidents


42 posted on 08/26/2016 3:58:24 PM PDT by Nifster (Ignore all polls. Get Out The Vote)
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“Since each state is given two free electors regardless of how few people live there...”

Shows you how ignorant these people are ... 1 elector for each representative, 1 for each senator for each state. Probably a common core grad!


49 posted on 08/26/2016 4:12:33 PM PDT by RetiredTexasVet (The Mofia is a private crime family; whereas, the DOJ is the gov't's political crime family.)
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The original intent of the Electoral College was that each Elector (member of the House of Representatives) would cast their electoral vote for the candidate that received the majority of votes in their Congressional District. That way the President would reflect the views of the people at large. There would be no such thing as winner take all on a statewide basis.

The logic of this was that large urban districts (better organized and voting as blocks) would not outweigh all others and cause all electoral votes statewide to be cast for one individual.

All Congressional Districts throughout the nation had the same number of people. Hence the original intent was that the President elected would reflect the feeling of the state’s population as a whole, rather than large urban area that could get out the vote.

Remember that Senators were appointed by the state legislators, or Governor from each state, and represented the interest of each state, rather than as present, with large money interests contributing to candidates, and hence influencing them once in office.

If the original intent had bee followed in the past, the President in each case would have reflected the same views as the House of Representatives in any election.

That is why one or two large cities, with well organized political organizations can sway an entire states outcome. With voter fraud, it becomes a nightmare.


54 posted on 08/26/2016 4:32:51 PM PDT by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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We must keep the E.C as is or, if a change is made, go to the Congressional District system of awarding them. Had the C.D system of awarding E.Vs been in place in 2012 Romney would have won.

Statistically, in the modern day, the E.C. actually favors the Repubs. If the R candidate can come within 1% of the D candidate (49-48% for example) there is still a chance the R will win in the E.C. The reverse is not true.The Dems must win a majority of the P.V. to win the E.C as voters are generally distributed now around the nation

This happens because of the general distribution of the respective parties voters. Ds can roll up large majorities in certain states and Rs can win a number of states by slim margins, each taking the respective states E.V.s.

Bush lost the P.V by 1/2% in 2000 and still eked out a E.C. victory as an example.

http://www.fairvote.org/problems_with_the_electoral_college

“The Electoral College gives disproportionate voting power to states, favoring the smaller states with more electoral votes per person.

For instance, each individual vote in Wyoming counts nearly four times as much in the Electoral College as each individual vote in Texas. This is because Wyoming has three (3) electoral votes for a population of 532,668 citizens (as of 2008 Census Bureau estimates) and Texas has thirty-two (32) electoral votes for a population of almost 25 million. By dividing the population by electoral votes, we can see that Wyoming has one “elector” for every 177,556 people and Texas has one “elector” for about every 715,499. The difference between these two states of 537,943 is the largest in the Electoral College.”

The Rs win a bigger share of the smaller states and gain E.Vs that have fewer voters represented by those E.V.s


67 posted on 08/26/2016 5:33:22 PM PDT by ConquerWeMust
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