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To: Libloather

If I recall this case, this Marine was needlessly confrontational and insubordinate in the way she chose to display her bible verses. I’m all for thinking about the Bible during the day if you chose to, but if your supervisor says they don’t want such materials prominently displayed and you keep doing it in direct defiance of a direct order, well, you deserve what you get.

Never forget, when in the military, you are a Government Issue, you are the employee of the government, plain and simple. You lose certain civilian rights while in active service. That’s the way it is.


4 posted on 08/11/2016 5:55:57 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: lee martell

I imagine so

No one told her to not practice her religion in private. And we are not a theocracy


5 posted on 08/11/2016 5:59:22 PM PDT by stanne
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To: lee martell

“...If the Army and the Navy
Ever look on Heaven’s scenes,
They will find the streets are guarded
By United States Marines...”

Are they gonna force the Marines to take this out of the Marine Corp Hymn???????


6 posted on 08/11/2016 6:00:11 PM PDT by JBW1949 (I'm really PC....PATRIOTICALLY CORRECT!!!!)
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To: lee martell
You lose certain civilian rights while in active service.

Rights like?
A fair trial? Self-defense? Due-process?

My point is this: is a right that can be so lost really a right?
Now, granted, there are many things called rights which are not; but care must be taken when "lose certain rights" is at hand.

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.
— Patrick Henry

7 posted on 08/11/2016 6:02:39 PM PDT by Edward.Fish
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To: lee martell

Including not reporting for duty


8 posted on 08/11/2016 6:04:02 PM PDT by TexasGator
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To: lee martell

Does that include when a person is in housing on base?


13 posted on 08/11/2016 6:08:29 PM PDT by dhs12345
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To: lee martell
That's my recollection too. She was defying a authority then a lawful order and the subject matter happened to be the bible verse.

In my career, we had different commanders with different tolerance of personal displays. One (a great commander) would tolerate even encourage family and girlfriend pictures. One troop, of course, had to go to the extreme with nudies of his sweetie. We all liked it, but the commander said "no more". So, there were no more. That's the way it is in the military.

18 posted on 08/11/2016 6:16:55 PM PDT by pfflier
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To: lee martell

I’m betting a practicing muslim will get the same treatment for posting a verse of two from his little Quran from FEDGOV eh? /s


20 posted on 08/11/2016 6:17:59 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (*Convicted of thought crimes by the Left and the Right*)
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To: lee martell

Military Civil Rights

There are none to speak of. You are government property. You assumed you were the property of a decent government and willfully submitted to those terms whether you were completely aware of them or not. You are not in my view the property of a decent government.

This is not about the verses. It is about the rights and they are what this government wants them to be, not something inalienable. The military exists as a subset of a free society that is not free and we agreed it would not be. Not to prevent the exercise of what we considered good free speech and civil rights but to prevent exactly what we see now, a perversion of civil rights and morals.

You do have the obligation to disobey an unlawful order but who is the arbiter of unlawful when the DOJ refuses to prosecute clear unlawful acts? The same indecent government that owns you.

Once again, we are proving without the rule of law we have nothing but the capricious whim of society.

The flags are at half mast at MO commemorating the military dog Vvaas, chapel memorial service at 1030 hrs with all the base invited to attend. The airplanes are falling apart, we are short of pilots but the commander feels it is necessary to commemorate a dog. I’m sorry he died but he is still a dog and I am sorry the commander has trivialized memorial services. Now fallen troops will merit the same recognition as a dog.

Wonderful. Good job Colonel. The snowflakes are happy now.


57 posted on 08/12/2016 6:12:40 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (It feels like we have exchanged our dreams for survival. We just have a few days that don't suck.)
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To: lee martell

Agreed.


85 posted on 08/12/2016 8:27:42 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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