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What if Obama Is Wrong About Islam
Townhall.com ^ | July 17, 2017 | Bruce Bialosky

Posted on 07/17/2016 6:26:48 AM PDT by Kaslin

A central tenet of President Obama’s argument regarding our national security is that we should not chastise all Muslims. He repeats often that Islam is a religion of peace. What we need to examine is whether that is just something he states over and over again -- hoping Americans will accept it as fact -- or whether that is actually true.

First, before anyone jumps off the high board let’s determine the parameters. Almost everyone reading this column and/or across the world wants to believe that Islam is a religion of peace. Except, of course, for some wing-nuts: some people who you can never convince of a thing or maybe some Muslims who believe they are directed to violence by their religion or their religious leader.

Next, President Obama has compared Christianity to Islam and gone back to the Crusades or other historical actions for the purpose of drawing comparisons. Others have criticized Islam for the militant actions going back to the 8th century. This is not about that. Likewise, we will not discuss any parts of the Koran to establish a position.

We will only examine the period after World War II. History will tell you that there was some coordination of the Islamic leaders in the Middle East with Hitler and Germany, but the world was at war and most everyone except for the Swiss chose sides.

Two significant actions happened subsequent to 1945:

1. The Islamic Republic of Pakistan (did not take that full name until 1956) was formed by British partition on August 14, 1947. Since that time, Pakistan has had four conventional wars with India. It is constantly on alert with minor skirmishes with India. It has been a questionable friend of the U.S., and its Western provinces are worldwide hot beds of terrorism.

2. In 1948, Ben–Gurion declared the existence of the State of Israel in an area Jews had been living for over 3,000 years. Since that time there have been four major wars, multiple Intifadas, constant military excursions and thousands of terrorist attacks against Israeli citizens by Islamic countries and Muslims. Only two Muslim countries have a peace treaty with Israel. The leader of one of those countries, after that peace treaty was agreed to, was assassinated.

And then there is the following:

3. Afghanistan has been in turmoil for over 40 years. Officially the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was plunged into war after a Communist takeover in 1978. The U.S. backed the anti-Communists to no avail. That led to the Taliban beginning their control of the country in 1994. Other than their totalitarian actions toward the people of Afghanistan, particularly the women, they became a center and training base for worldwide terrorist organizations when the terrorists were not crossing over into neighboring Pakistan. Fifteen years after the U.S. took over the country post 9/11, it remains in turmoil and the murderous Islamic Taliban still roams the countryside.

4. Iran and Iraq are a special case. When they are not wreaking havoc across the globe, they stopped to have a war where they killed an estimated 1.5 million people. One cannot say they were killing Jews or Christians this time because they were killing each other as one side was Sunni and the other Shia Muslims. Someday the rest of us will understand why the difference is worth mass murder. When they were not fighting each other, they were killing or torturing their citizens and restricting their rights.

5. After finishing the murderous Iran-Iraq war, Iraq invaded its neighbor Kuwait where an estimated 4,200 Kuwaitis were killed and their oil fields seriously damaged. The U.S. led a force to take back the country in which there were over 20,000 Iraqi deaths and casualties on the side of the allies.

6. Islamic Syria is a special place where they have a dynasty of butchers, but butchers who use poisonous gas. The anointed son of a mass murderer, in an attempt to hold on to power, has murdered an estimated 250,000 of his own countrymen and ran another few million out of the country. The entire country is a disaster zone.

7. Egypt has a more limited violent history. Nasser led his country in three losing wars against Israel. His successor Sadat led one war before making a peace deal for which he was murdered. His successor, Mubarak, murdered thousands to stay in power. But he was a prince compared to the Muslim Brotherhood who succeeded him and installed a totalitarian government. Sisi then overthrew this group in a coup d’état. Finally, an Egyptian leader acknowledges there is a problem in Islam and calls for a reformation. The call for reformation would cause him to be called a moderate by most, but Obama has dissed him at every turn.

8. Libya features the history of Muammar Gaddafi who took over in a military coup d’état. Murder, recriminations, weapons of mass destruction, the death of Gaddafi and then a failed state where Americans were murdered. The country is currently a mess with ISIS terrorists roaming freely.

9. Of the estimated 60 terrorist groups on the U.S. State Department watch list, about five are not Islamic. A couple notable exceptions are the FARC in Colombia and the IRA in Ireland. The terrorists murdering people all over the world are led by those groups in the Terrorist Hall of Fame like Boko Haram, Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, the Taliban and now the hot new murderers, ISIS. There are so many that splinter groups have splinter groups. Boko Haram has murdered more than 20,000.

10. In most Islamic countries in the Middle East and Northern Africa, Jews have been run out of the country and Christians are being either run out of the country or murdered.

11. If Islam is truly a religion of peace why are there so many violent attacks in the name of Islam during the holiday of Ramadan, which is one of the five pillars of Islam?

I could go on, but let’s focus for a moment on what is good in the Muslim world. There is Sisi in Egypt. There is the ever-wonderful King Abdullah II of Jordan. When you visit the U.A.E. you leave thinking if the Arab world were all like this, the world would be a vastly-nicer place to live. There appears to be a sign of moderation and actual democracy breaking out in Tunisia -- none of which was effected by the policies of the U.S. or Obama administration.

No one would make the case that all Muslims in the world are evil or murderers. That is another straw man that Obama creates to make his argument. What we would like to see is Obama actually make the case with bullet point examples supporting his assertion that Islam is a religion of peace.


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To: All

I’m a huge fan of WW2 History and for the life of me I can’t remember anyone ever uttering the term “moderate Nazi”.


61 posted on 07/18/2016 5:10:29 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: Kaslin
Islam has been at war with the rest of the world since the early 7th Century.

Nothing has changed in this constant state of war except the individual actors and some ebb and flow. The death toll from Muslim depredations is in the hundreds of millions and the torture, slavery, and forced 'conversions' runs into an even higher and incomprehensible number.

Those facts alone should demonstrate Islam is not "a religion of peace" but "a religion of war, slavery, oppression, and murder". It has been the scourge of the Earth for 14 centuries and counting. Evil resides in it's DNA and bloodstream.

62 posted on 07/18/2016 7:22:47 AM PDT by Gritty ("Our most effective response to terror is compassion, it's unity and it's love" - A/G Loretta Lynch)
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December 2015--post-San Bernardino killings
CAIR is America’s top enabler of terror
NY POST ^ | December 4, 2015 | Michelle Malkin / FR Posted by COUNTrecount

As news of the San Bernardino jihadist shootings blared on airport TVs, I spotted a TSA monitor flashing the now ubiquitous message: If you SEE something, SAY something. It's one of the emptiest slogans in modern American life. While the White House pays lip service to homeland security vigilance, it consorts with Islamic terror sympathizers who attack vigilant citizens and law enforcement officers at every turn. Yes, I'm looking at you, Council on American-Islamic Relations.

After seeing CAIR's bizarre press conference with the San Bernardino jihadists' family members, here's what I'd like to say to them: You're not to be trusted. You put damage control above border control and jihad control. You're enemies of our national security and sovereignty.

Reminder: The feds designated CAIR an unindicted terror co-conspirator in 2007 in the prosecution of the Holy Land Foundation and others for providing support to Hamas jihadists. Over the alleged objections of Dallas-area federal prosecutors, the Obama Justice Department's senior political appointees declined to press terror-financing charges against CAIR co- founder Omar Ahmad.

Instead, the Obama administration has rolled out the red carpet for CAIR officials hundreds of times since 2009 on a range of issues. (Excerpt) Read more at nypost.com ...

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REFERENCE---CAIR: Muslim money-laundering modalities finance global jihad.

The American Freedom Law Center, has been engaged in a long and drawn out lawsuit against CAIR. CAIR has been running a global criminal money laundering operation out of Washington, DC. "The money laundering scheme was discovered in the course of legal discovery in unrelated federal litigation arising out of allegations by five of CAIR's former clients that CAIR defrauded them by failing to provide the legal services they had been promised."

THE MODUS OPERANDI To avoid reporting these millions of dollars from the dubious Islamist sources and to avoid registering as an agent for a foreign sovereign as required by federal law, CAIR created a separate company called CAIR-Foundation, Inc---an IRS-approved 501(c)(3) charitable organization.

CAIR itself quit filing federal tax returns from 2008-2010 and allowed the IRS to withdraw its status as a 501(c)(4), converting itself to a regular for- profit corporation.

CAIR also stopped all of its operations and became simply a holding company, transferring, at least on the books, all of its employees and equipment to CAIR Foundation. --snip-- (freedomoutpost.com EXCERPT)

SOURCE http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/09/muslim- brotherhood-hamas-front-group-cair-money-laundering- us-capital/#ixzz2jOgy8k7H

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TIME FOR CAIR TO OPEN THE BOOKS:

<><> did they wire-transfer Obama's foundations?

<><> did they wire-transfer Valerie Jarrett?

<><> did CAIR wire transfer Obama's library fund?

<><> did CAIR wire-transfer offshore bank accounts?

<><> are offshore accounts linked to Obama's post-presidency?

<><> Did CAIR donate to the Clinton Foundation's do-good activities?

<><> Did CAIR donate to Hillary's campaign?

<><> Did the Clintons get paid for CAIR speaking engagements?

63 posted on 07/18/2016 7:45:54 AM PDT by Liz (SAFE PACE A liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing penetrates it.)
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To: Kaslin
Back in 2007-8, as a candidate, Obama was Mr America....said he even wanted to be another Reagan (cue laugh machine).

Heaven only knows what might have been, if only voters could have seem him as he really was, back then.


64 posted on 07/18/2016 7:46:42 AM PDT by Liz (SAFE PACE A liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing penetrates it.)
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To: Kaslin
‘What if Obama is wrong about Islam?’

Stopped reading right there.

65 posted on 07/18/2016 7:49:02 AM PDT by Radix (Natural Born Citizens have Citizen parents)
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28 Pages of Newly-Released SoS Hillary’s personal emails Suggest
Huma Abedin Was Connected With a Group That Funded Terrorism

BUT OBAMA KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT (cue laugh machine)

A full review of Hillary Clinton’s personal emails released by the State Department finds Clinton’s senior aide, Huma Abedin, was exposed to highly sensitive U.S. government information.

It was Abedin who forwarded to SoS Clinton’s personal email address details about the initial establishment of the U.S. special mission in Benghazi, updates about security threats to both the mission and Ambassador Chris Stevens, intelligence on the growing terrorist threat in Libya and insider information on the Sept. 11, 2012 attack in Benghazi.

Abedin was privy to emails that contained the exact movements of Stevens while he was stationed in arguably one of the most dangerous zones in the world for any American diplomat.

WND previously reported on Abedin’s personal and family ties to the Muslim Brotherhood and other to Islamic supremacists.

The connections not only extend to her mother and father, who are both deeply tied to al-Qaida fronts, but to Abedin herself, as WND previously reported in a series of exposés.

While she worked at the State Department, Abedin was also a paid employee at the Clinton-connected Teneo Strategies, a strategic global consulting firm that specializes in investment banking, business intelligence and restructuring services. (Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...

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REFERENCE Money poured into the Clinton Foundation from various Islamic entities, such as the Muslim Brotherhood. Why was Hillary so brazen---in bed with a terror organization?

Well, money talks and her willingness to be bought off by Islamic groups via the Clinton Foundation was busily kept hidden with her private email accounts. You can bet there's some juicy emails somewhere.

Clinton Foundation employee---Gehad al Haddad (gehad means jihad in Farsi).

GEHAD IS THE CLINTON FOUNDATIONS / MUSLIM TERRORISM CONNECTION --- Foundation employee---a Mulsim terrorist---was working at the Clinton Foundation AND conducting terrorist activities BOTH at the same time.

THIS IS HILLARY'S "SMART POWER" MO: Hillary was hiding Mulsim influence and control over her activities---she pivoted U.S. policy shift away from Mubarak and to Muslim Brotherhood mouthpiece Mohammed Morsi in Egypt.

While Egypt’s Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood were in charge, Obama and then-SOS Hillary showered them with praise. and provided billions of dollars in US monetary aid, US arms, US tanks and US planes.

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THAT WAS THEN, THIS IS NOW---Egypt has unceremoniously thrown the Muslim Brotherhood out of Egyptian politics.... and hasn’t forgotten the support offered to the Muslim Brotherhood.

Egypt has now charged Obama and Hillary Clinton for conspiring and collaborating with the M/B and advancing their terrorist activities.

Egypt tried, convicted and jailed Gehad al Haddad for similar crimes.

66 posted on 07/18/2016 8:20:40 AM PDT by Liz (SAFE PACE A liberal's mind. Nothing's there. Nothing penetrates it.)
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To: Robert DeLong

’ However, Bruce Bialosky misses the elephant in the room. Suppose Obama knows he is wrong, and knew that Clinton & Bush before him were also wrong. Then he is guilty of treason and murder. ‘

+1


67 posted on 07/18/2016 9:53:48 AM PDT by Pelham (Barack Obama, representing Islam since 2008)
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