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I worked in the CIA under Bush. Obama is right to not say "radical Islam."
vox ^

Posted on 06/28/2016 1:32:58 PM PDT by ChicagoConservative27

The recent verbal attacks by the Republican presumptive nominee Donald Trump and his supporters on President Barack Obama for avoiding the phrase "radical Islam" in his public pronouncements are simplistic, racially inflammatory — and flatly misinformed.

Settling upon accurate and strategically nuanced terms to describe the post-9/11 enemy is not the product of "political correctness" (contra Trump) or a failure to understand the enemy (contra a much-discussed Atlantic cover story). Nor are objections to using overly broad terms like "Islamic radicalism" limited to Democrats. The Bush administration understood the power of words, too. It concluded that distinctions that may seem small to Christian-American ears make a big difference to the mainstream Muslims we need on our side.

When I directed the Political Islam Strategic Analysis Program at the CIA in the early 2000s, I frequently interacted with senior Bush administration policymakers about how to engage Muslim communities and, when doing so, which words and phrases to use to best describe the radical ideology preached by al-Qaeda and other terrorist organizations. Always, the aim was to distinguish between radicals and extremists and the vast majority of mainstream Muslims, and to make sure the latter understood that we were not lumping them in with the former.

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KEYWORDS: bush; cia; emilenakhleh; georgesoros; georgesorosmedia; ips; nakhleh; obama; vox
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To: Robert357

Then call them Sunni or 5er, 7er or 12er Shi’ites. Iranians are 12ers-the most extreme.


41 posted on 06/28/2016 1:48:18 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: A CA Guy

You are right that the Koran is the problem—which is why “reform” only leads to renewed oppression and violence.

And belief in sharia is mainstream within Islam, not some radical fringe.


42 posted on 06/28/2016 1:48:32 PM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: nutmeg
The source of this article — “VOX” — is a far loony left site.

It has the intellectual heft of My Weekly Reader.

43 posted on 06/28/2016 1:48:34 PM PDT by eddie willers
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To: ChicagoConservative27

With the Bush doctrine and Obama CHANGE has not come. Change won’t come until people feel pain. I hope they are pained to know that people see them as extremists.


44 posted on 06/28/2016 1:48:58 PM PDT by rovenstinez (Har)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Well you can either please those hot heads with kid gloves diplomat talk, or else inform the rest of America honestly about what is going on.

I choose the latter.


45 posted on 06/28/2016 1:49:11 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Emile can shove it. Obama is wrong on everything. And saying you were there when Bush was President doesn’t give you any more authority. Might give you less.


46 posted on 06/28/2016 1:50:10 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper ((Just say no to HRC))
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To: ChicagoConservative27

balderdash


47 posted on 06/28/2016 1:51:35 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen
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To: mkjessup

B T T T


48 posted on 06/28/2016 1:53:29 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (My Batting Average( 1,000) since Nov 2014 (GOPe is that easy to read))
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To: ChicagoConservative27
Obama is right to not say "radical Islam."

Yeah, cuz it's redundant. There's nothing more anti-American than Islam. Freedom vs. Submission/Slavery. Natural law vs Sharia law. <----nothing 'radical' at all according the traitors and mentally ill.
49 posted on 06/28/2016 1:53:29 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (DEPORT OBOLA VOTERS)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

And to think an assholoio like this writer worked for the CIA in the Bush administration

Declares Wahhabists are just like Southern Baptists

Judgemental and Intolerant fundamentalists

We have let these mfers into our nation to pollute us

God I detest this crap

Are we ever going to fight back?

I’ll be dead or on oxygen in some bunker


50 posted on 06/28/2016 1:54:17 PM PDT by wardaddy (for Muslim wives "no" means anal)
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To: Celerity

He has clearly attained a “higher level of understanding”.

/s


51 posted on 06/28/2016 1:54:23 PM PDT by Zeneta
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To: wardaddy

lololol.....just saw your tagline.


52 posted on 06/28/2016 1:56:42 PM PDT by Electric Graffiti (DEPORT OBOLA VOTERS)
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To: ChicagoConservative27
From the article: Any terminology that the commander in chief of the United States settles on ought to reflect that we are speaking of Sunni-based radicalism — a strain that takes a particularly intolerant, exclusive, narrow-minded view of Islam and its relations with other Muslims and the non-Muslim world.

The Shiites are no big deal, I take it, because they only want to destroy Israel and the United States (according to their own claims).

53 posted on 06/28/2016 1:57:00 PM PDT by AZLiberty (A is no longer A, but a pull-down menu.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Stupid is as stupid does.


54 posted on 06/28/2016 1:57:27 PM PDT by karnage
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To: ChicagoConservative27
The Bush approach was perhaps the correct course of action at the time.

In fact, it worked and George Bush won the War On Terror using that strategy, but it simply ignores the reality of where we are and how we got here.

President Obama willfully reversed George Bush's victories in the War On Terror and has spent the last 8 years nurturing and legitimizing the cause of Radical Islam and it's grudge against the West as well as violent Jihad in general.

We tried the kinder and gentler approach to combating terror under Bush and our troops paid a horrendous price to persevere and win using that strategy, but under Obama the Islamic world has rejected the conciliatory approach and has pursued direct and open confrontation.

The idea behind the strategy of not mentioning Islamic terror and Jihad is to prevent the radicalization of the Muslim world. This was an operative strategy in the year 2002 because the Islamic world had not yet been radicalized or mobilized to Jihad.

Under President Obama, and with Obama's direct encouragement, the Islamic world has already radicalized and mobilized and is now in direct combat with the rest of the world, so the barn door is open and the horse has already left the barn.

George Bush largely defeated the concept of Radical Islam as a world wide military/political movement before it got rolling. Now the Jihadi have the ball rolling on world wide Jihad so we must defeat it as a military force on the march, not as an emerging mass movement trying to gather traction and reach critical mass because Obama has already enabled the Jihad to get traction and reach world wide critical mass to wage war on the non Muslim World .

55 posted on 06/28/2016 1:58:00 PM PDT by rdcbn ("If what has happened here is not treason, it is its first cousin." Zell Milleraereh)
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To: headstamp 2
Bush was a misguided patriot.

0bama is a muslim loving traitor.

56 posted on 06/28/2016 1:58:10 PM PDT by PROCON (Americans First or Terrorists First - Choose in November)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Before Obama,
There was virtually no overwhelming presence of Islam in America, but ALL OF A SUDDEN.....

• All of a sudden,
Islam is taught in schools. Christianity and the Bible are
banned in schools.

• All of a sudden,
we must allow prayer rugs everywhere and allow for Islamic prayer in schools, airports and businesses.

• All of a sudden,
we must stop serving pork in prisons.

• All of a sudden,
we are inundated with law suits by Muslims who are offended by American culture.

• All of a sudden,
we must allow burkas to be worn everywhere even though you have no idea who or what is covered up under them.

• All of a sudden,
Muslims are suing employers and refusing to do their jobs if they personally deem it conflicts with Sharia Law.

• All of a sudden,
the Attorney General of the United States vows to prosecute anyone who engages in “anti-Muslim speech”.

• All of a sudden,
Jihadists who engage in terrorism and openly admit they acted in the name of Islam and ISIS, are emphatically declared they are NOT Islamic by our leaders and/or their actions are determined NOT to be terrorism, but other nebulous terms like ‘workplace violence.”

• All of a sudden,
it becomes Policy that Secular Middle East dictators that were benign or friendly to the West, must be replaced by Islamists, and the Muslim Brotherhood.

• All of a sudden,
our troops are withdrawn from Iraq and the middle east, giving rise to ISIS.

• All of a sudden,
America has reduced its nuclear stockpiles to 1950 levels, as Obama’s stated goal of a nuke-free America by the time he leaves office continues uninterrupted.

• All of a sudden,
a deal with Iran must be made at any cost, with a pathway to nuclear weapons and HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars handed over to fund their programs.

• All of a sudden,
America APOLOGIZES to Muslim states, and sponsors of terror worldwide for acts of aggression, war and sabotage THEY perpetrate against our soldiers.

• All of a sudden,
the American Navy is diminished to 1917 Pre-World War I levels of only 300 ships. The Army is at pre-1940 levels. The Air Force scraps 500 planes and plans to retire the use of the A-10 Thunderbolt close air support fighter. A further draw down of another 40,000 military personnel is in progress.

• All of a sudden,
Obama has to empty Guantanamo Bay of captured Jihadists and let them loose in Jihad-friendly Islamic states, and most likely give the property back to Cuba. He demands to close the facility.

• All of a sudden,
America will negotiate with terrorists and trade FIVE Taliban commanders for a deserter and Jihad sympathizer.

• All of a sudden,
there is no money for American poor, disabled veterans, jobless Americans, hungry Americans, or displaced Americans... but there is endless money for Obama’s “Syrian refugee” resettlement programs.

• All of sudden,
There is an ammunition shortage in the USA.

• All of a sudden,
the most important thing for Obama to do after mass shootings by Jihadists is to disarm American citizens.

• All of a sudden,
the President of the United States cannot attend the Christian Funerals of a Supreme Court Justice and a former First Lady because of previous commitments (——most likely GOLF commitments.)

• All of a sudden,
I’m sick to my stomach. I’m not sure the majority of Americans recognize the seriousness of the situation, and how much “progress” has been made by Islam these last 7 years.


57 posted on 06/28/2016 1:58:34 PM PDT by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

The phrase is nothing compared to the deference Zero shows to them. That’s the real crime.


58 posted on 06/28/2016 1:59:17 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: DJ Taylor

I received that in an email. Needs to be shared/posted, often!!!


59 posted on 06/28/2016 2:00:39 PM PDT by Jane Long (Go Trump, go! Make America Safe Again :)
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To: ChicagoConservative27

Emile Nakhleh.... just another globalist pandering pravda puke puppet..
the cia is infiltrated with libtard left leaning political operatives... starting at the top with blockhead... too bad they dont do a good job... but they do produce lots of idiots like this guy... his focus is on DIVERSITY..... are you sh***ing me..??

we’re engaged in a centuries long war with radical islam... bringing them in this country is like leaving your front door open and being unarmed and unprepared... OR INJECTING YOURSELF WITH HIV...

its been 14+ years since 9-11... Have moderate muslims succeeded in rooting out the “radicals”.... NO, because they are one and the same... they all wage jihad in one form or another... silence, money, assistance or terror acts..

C.A.I.R. IS AN UNINDICTED CO-CONSPIRATOR IN 9-11

The House of Saud funds radicals and constructs mosques for safe bases to operate from and radicalize others... PC and Libtards dont know wht they are doing except they want to bring em in for VOTES... There are already 15000+ sleepers here... WAKE THE F’UP...

Far as Bush..... ALL of THEM.... their words mean nothing.... their actions however speak volumes

Saddam was targeted for his hit order on Bush Sr.... The Al Sabah family paid off his administration to go after Saddam... and for protection... The Bushs are globalist scumbags... nothng more and nothing less....

Want and end to the war on terror... KILLEM ALL AND LET GOD SORT THEM OUT...
IF YOU SEND AMERICAN TROOPS, FORGET THE PC ROE.... UNLEASH THE DOGS OF WAR......


60 posted on 06/28/2016 2:01:02 PM PDT by zzwhale
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