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Phyllis Schlafly vs. Article V
Article V Blog ^ | June 17, 2016 | Rodney Dodsworth

Posted on 06/18/2016 11:08:48 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll

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While I have great respect for Phyllis Schlafly, on this topic, she's just wrong. She spouts the same talking points as the J.B.S., all of which have been refuted many times.
1 posted on 06/18/2016 11:08:48 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll
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To: Da Bilge Troll

It’s an open question whether states really have the moxie required to come up with a better formulation. Phyllis may be right on practical grounds rather than theoretical ones.

As C. S. Lewis put it, those who twisted under the old system will twist under the new one as well. Giving up a lot of stuff that they have been accustomed to getting from an Uncle Sugar will be required. Are states willing to go lean for the sake of a meaningful political reformation of what the USA is about?

I posit that the ultimate engine is going to have to be divine, not political. Almost any constitution will suffice if the people are vibrantly serving God. Any constitution will fail, if the people are shrugging their affairs off to the devil.


2 posted on 06/18/2016 11:13:39 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
Beginning with her title, “Failed Republicans Want to Rewrite the Constitution,” Mrs. Schlafly goes on to imply that since the former candidates Huckabee, Rubio, Jindal failed in their bids for the GOP presidential nomination, whatever they support must be a losing proposition too.

And they don't want to rewrite it; they want to REINSTATE it.

3 posted on 06/18/2016 11:14:04 AM PDT by JimRed (Is it 1776 yet? TERM LIMITS, now and forever! Build the Wall, NOW!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

At first you don’t secede.....


4 posted on 06/18/2016 11:16:27 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: 1010RD; AllAmericanGirl44; Amagi; aragorn; Art in Idaho; Arthur McGowan; Arthur Wildfire! March; ...

Article V ping. A useful article about Ms. Schlafly’s opposition to a Convention of the States.


5 posted on 06/18/2016 11:18:22 AM PDT by Publius ("Who is John Galt?" by Billthedrill and Publius now available at Amazon.)
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To: central_va

The first one went miserably, and I posit that it was because of slavery. To beg before God to be free when you aren’t even making your inhabitants free, is to court a rebuke. It doesn’t matter what the North was doing, God is not letting the South hide behind the North.


6 posted on 06/18/2016 11:19:15 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: Da Bilge Troll

The convention of states is a lunatic proposition. We have enough problems with unconstitutional politicians without sending a bunch of delegates from Illinois, California, Massachusetts, Delaware, Rhode Island, Vermont, Oregon, Washington to finger, lick and play with our constitution. I cannot believe that people are so stupid as to think delegates can be bound by mere words.


7 posted on 06/18/2016 11:23:09 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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And do we have slavery today?

We have the soft slavery of low expectations (GWB called it bigotry). Our charity has decayed into idle entitlements, that do not urge betterment where they are applied.

We’ll have to become ungreat in a JFK sense of the all helping government (not its mission before God) before we can become great in a Trumpian sense.

Reforming this may or may not entail a Section V action on an earthly plane. God acts in mysterious ways, so goes the saying. But we need the spiritual basis.


8 posted on 06/18/2016 11:24:16 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Let them lick and play, they need a 38 state buy-in for it to stick.

The main problem is probably practical. It would be another self priding Kabuki theater, just as our modern Congress and state houses are today. It would overlook the real fundamentals of the human condition.


9 posted on 06/18/2016 11:26:04 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Embrace the Lion of Judah and He will roar for you and teach you to roar too. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I would not disagree with you, However,you list only one aspect of the problem-albeit a big part. Another dimension is the almost total corruption of the electorate.


10 posted on 06/18/2016 11:29:38 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

Indeed. The Constitutional Convention itself was a coup that went far beyond the scope authorized by the Congress.


11 posted on 06/18/2016 11:31:58 AM PDT by Huck
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
"sending a bunch of delegates"

One state, one vote.

"finger, lick and play with our constitution"

You are under the misconception that the Convention could change the Constitution. It would have no such power, any more than Congress has - it may only propose.

12 posted on 06/18/2016 11:32:42 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Huck

You are one of the few who recognized what happened at the Convention; i.e. the Old Articles of Confederation were thrown over.


13 posted on 06/18/2016 11:33:50 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: Da Bilge Troll

See Post 11.


14 posted on 06/18/2016 11:34:42 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: Da Bilge Troll
What this country really needs is a law that says it is illegal to break the law.

"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798 John Adams

15 posted on 06/18/2016 11:35:18 AM PDT by itsahoot (Trump kills PC-Hillary kills USA-Pick one.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS
They already fail the Oath of Office:

The results of an Article V would take decades to ever be installed.

Those who ignore The Constitution now would just as likely ignore anything coming from an Article V.

Bring back the tar and feathers and the rail, and you will see a whole new breed of politicians who are more willing to support their constituents, rather than the power brokers.
16 posted on 06/18/2016 11:38:49 AM PDT by TomGuy
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Some oppose it A Convention of the States on the small chance that "things might go wrong" while all about them THINGS ARE GOING WRONG! that the Convention is meant to straighten out.

Actually I think the Convention is a pipedream, unless, of course Trump manages to survive to be elected and has enough of a majority vote to overtop what will be the most intense vote fraud since the USSR and then himself pushes for a Convention. It is otherwise a pipedream because the next president will be a dictator perfected where the current dictator is still not entirely in control. I don't qualify thatby saying the next Democrat because the nature of the office has transformed by Congress ceding all its power to the President directly or through the Agencies. Congress cannot take that power back nor can it be given back. A president that tries to be COnstitutional will be overwhelmed by the Agencies which will become a collective dictatorship and politics thenceforward will be backstabbing battles for control of the Bureaucracy - the Agencies.

17 posted on 06/18/2016 11:39:52 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: JimRed
And they don't want to rewrite it; they want to REINSTATE it.

More Laws won't do that. If they won't obey the current law why would you expect they would obey the new ones? Unless of course the new laws only applied to you, like ObamaCare.

18 posted on 06/18/2016 11:40:34 AM PDT by itsahoot (Trump kills PC-Hillary kills USA-Pick one.)
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To: TomGuy
You got it. We are far beyond ordinary political means as a solution to out political and economic problems. There is enough corruption at all levels so that the balance has been tipped in favor of tyranny.
19 posted on 06/18/2016 11:42:25 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: HiTech RedNeck
And do we have slavery today?

Yes: Social Security.
Yes: ObamaCare.
Yes: the lack of liberty to even build your own house without intrusive regulation, and a million other "you have to have permission" things.

In fact, you might be able to argue that it's more institutionalized now because it's the institutions of government that are doing it.

20 posted on 06/18/2016 11:51:20 AM PDT by Edward.Fish
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