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Islam & the West: Irreconcilable Conflict?
Townhall.com ^ | June 14, 2016 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 06/14/2016 4:50:34 AM PDT by Kaslin

On Saturday night, Omar Mateen was a loner and a loser.

Sunday, he was immortal, by his standards, a hero. Mateen had ended his life in a blaze of gunfire and glory. Now everybody knew his name.

He had been embraced by ISIS. His face was on every TV screen. His 911 call to Orlando police identifying with the Islamic State and the Tsarnaev brothers of the Boston Marathon massacre was being heard across America.

He was being called the most successful Islamist terrorist since 9/11. A hater of homosexuals, Mateen had, all alone, massacred more than four dozen patrons at a gay Florida nightclub, wounded 53, and driven deeper the wedges breaking up America. When it was learned that he used an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle, America's gun wars were reignited.

And make no mistake. There are out there in society some few looking at what Mateen did, and how he left this world, not in revulsion and disgust but admiration and awe.

Omar Mateen will not lack for emulators. While we see him as a sick and crazed mass murderer, some will see him, as he surely saw himself, as a warrior for Islam and Muslim martyr who earned paradise.

Yet, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama seemed either unable to recognize the roots of Mateen's malice, or they were inhibited from identifying those roots by the commands of political correctness.

The president called this "an act of hate," but declined to name the source of the hatred or motive for the massacre.

Where did Omar Mateen learn to hate not just homosexuality but the homosexuals themselves? Where did he come to believe that they deserved to die and he had a right to kill them?

Where might he have gotten such ideas? Who teaches this?

Well, not only do the Taliban and ISIS hurl homosexuals off buildings and stone them to death but 10 nations -- Mauritania, Niger, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, the UAE, Yemen and Pakistan -- impose the death penalty for homosexual acts.

Peoples of these nations approve, for such laws find sanction in the holy book, the Quran. Sharia teaches that homosexuality is a vile form of fornication, punishable by death.

Clinton declared that we must redouble our efforts to work with "our allies and partners" to go after international terror groups.

Did she have in mind the Saudis and Gulf Arabs?

For they have on their books laws calling for beheading the same sort of people Mateen shot to death at the Pulse club in Orlando, and for the same reason -- what it is they do.

A co-worker said Mateen had an abiding rage over the behavior of American women. Where did Mateen get that idea?

After San Bernardino, where an ISIS-adoring Pakistani woman and her husband perpetrated a massacre, Donald Trump called for a ban on Muslims entering the United States, until they could be better vetted, and we "can figure out what the hell is going on,"

This was regarded as quintessentially un-American.

But "refugees" from the Syrian war have been found abetting Islamist atrocities in Paris. Terror cells containing "refugees" from Syria's civil war have been discovered in Angela Merkel's Germany.

We are learning that second-generation Muslims like Mateen seem susceptible to Islamist imams preaching terror against the West to advance the restoration of the caliphate.

Does this not suggest a pause, and a long hard look before we continue with a policy of warmly welcoming all refugees fleeing the half-dozen wars roiling the Islamic world?

After World War II, we vetted German and East European migrants to ensure they were not fleeing Nazis or Soviet saboteurs or spies.

No one seemed to regard that as outrageous.

Devout Muslims believe there is "no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his Prophet." Logically then, Muslim nations reject a "First Amendment" in their own societies that would protect a right of Christians to convert Muslims, or any "freedom of speech" that permits the mockery of Muhammad.

The iconoclasts at Charlie Hebdo learned that the penalty for blasphemy against Islam or insulting the prophet can be severe.

"East is East and West is West, and never the twain shall meet, Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment Seat."

So wrote Kipling. Islam, not only in its extremist forms but in its pure form, is incompatible with modern Western democracy.

And the conflict appears irreconcilable.

The policy that should result from this reality is that while we fight side-by-side to annihilate our common enemies, ISIS and al-Qaida, the West should give up the idea of democratization and secularization of the Islamic world.

And those who believe Islam is the one true faith, to which all of mankind must eventually submit, should be told that they are welcome as visitors -- but not as immigrants. For that would ensure endless conflict.

The more Islamic the West becomes, the less it remains the West.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: isis; islam; orlando; orlandoterrorattack; terrorism; usjihad
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1 posted on 06/14/2016 4:50:34 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Islam and __________: irreconcilable conflict.

You fill in the blank.


2 posted on 06/14/2016 4:52:19 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Apparently, most people are fine with what Obama is doing, while he ignores our problems.)
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To: Kaslin

No more Jihad Johnnys invited over to brownify and takeover our lands imported by the Muskim Manchurian Candidate. The man is not our friend and is taking orders from the enemy. Everyone knows the Emporer is naked. Had his skin not been PC compatible he would have been kicked out long ago.


3 posted on 06/14/2016 4:55:54 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: The_Media_never_lie
Islam and __________: irreconcilable conflict.

You fill in the blank.

Excellent.

4 posted on 06/14/2016 4:56:40 AM PDT by exit82 (Road Runner sez:" Let's Make America Beeping Great Again! Beep! Beep!")
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To: Kaslin
Pamela Geller ‏@PamelaGeller Jun 12

.@Facebook took down my #SIOA page. That's sharia enforcement - after #PulseNightclub massacre?? PLEASE RESTORE PAGE


5 posted on 06/14/2016 4:59:55 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (We cannot allow Hillary Clinton to become the next Angela Merkel)
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To: exit82

We have a template for how to handle this. We did it with communists during the cold war.

Those who preached the violent overthrow of the United States were not tolerated in the military or in government. They were monitored and prosecuted when they performed acts of treason. They were not welcome as immigrants.

Some of them were deported.


6 posted on 06/14/2016 5:01:22 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Kaslin

Doddering old Pat always was several service packs short of a complete install - even at his very best.

It is (and always has been) Islam versus everything not Islam (including apostate Islam) and it has always been to the death.


7 posted on 06/14/2016 5:03:04 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Kaslin

We are now is in a world wide war.


8 posted on 06/14/2016 5:05:05 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

The good news is that it has been put back up.


9 posted on 06/14/2016 5:06:17 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: Kaslin

A very good essay by Pat Buchanan. He tried to warn us 20 years ago, but the Media cartel was too strong.

Now that we have new media and a bit of conservative media, he is a voice of sanity.


10 posted on 06/14/2016 5:08:04 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Kaslin
The idea that innocent life is precious and must be protected, the "Golden Rule," the idea that the sins of the father must not be visited on the son, the idea that God hates a lie...

These are all Judeo-Christian concepts, and therefore are part of "Western Culture."

11 posted on 06/14/2016 5:09:16 AM PDT by Steely Tom (Vote GOP: A Slower Handbasket)
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To: Byron_the_Aussie

I just went over to FB and right now, there is a new site, under the name of Pamela Geller.


12 posted on 06/14/2016 5:12:29 AM PDT by Biggirl ("One Lord, one faith, one baptism" - Ephesians 4:5)
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To: MrEdd
You obviously didn't read the article, but felt you had to give your two cents.

Now go back into your room.

13 posted on 06/14/2016 5:12:29 AM PDT by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him. He got them and now we have to pay the consequences)
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To: MrEdd

Quote:

“Doddering old Pat always was several service packs short of a complete install - even at his very best.”

Really? “Doddering old Pat” has been a strong voice in the wilderness for conservatism for decades and has a firmer grasp of the issues facing this dying country than the “smart young guns of the conservative movement” like that sorry excuse for a man Paul Ryan, Marco Rubio, etc., etc., ad nauseam.

You owe Pat Buchanan an apology.


14 posted on 06/14/2016 5:15:25 AM PDT by TTFlyer
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To: MrEdd
Why do you bash Buchanan?

You seem to agree with the major premise of his argument here.

Buchanan was anti-globalist, and anti-PC, anti-senseless wars, anti-nation-building, anti-Bush 41 and 43, and anti-multi-culti, from the very beginning. Long, long before it was cool, as it is now.

He took tons and tons of grief for his beliefs, too, even being unjustly smeared as an anti-Semite by Buckley and other cowardly neo-cons of the Bill Kristol variety.

Pat was rebelling against Bill Kristol and the globalists thirty years ago for crying out loud.

Part of the reason why we are in the mess that we are in is people who bash him because of some weird personal animus, like the fact that he is not hip enough. Instead of analyzing what he says, they ridicule his haircut and southern accent and call him a racist. By doing so they poison debate and you work to oppose the whole Trump reform movement.

Trump and Buchanan are on the same exact page.

Liberals like to ridicule and bash conservatives like Pat but deep down they either agree with him and fear admitting to it, or, they don't have the intellect or scholarly background to refute what he says.

15 posted on 06/14/2016 5:29:00 AM PDT by caddie
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To: Kaslin

I did read the article.

Pat didn’t go far enough.

I stand by my point.


16 posted on 06/14/2016 5:30:35 AM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: Biggirl

Good news and thanks for the update, Byron


17 posted on 06/14/2016 5:32:45 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (We cannot allow Hillary Clinton to become the next Angela Merkel)
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To: MrEdd

“I did read the article.

Pat didn’t go far enough.

I stand by my point.”

Your original point was pretty vague.

I have to say that “doddering old Pat” - as you call him - writes much more clearly and persuasively than you.


18 posted on 06/14/2016 5:56:01 AM PDT by vekzen
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To: Kaslin

Pat has a good column, except for this...

And those who believe Islam is the one true faith, to which all of mankind must eventually submit, should be told that they are welcome as visitors...

NO, he’s wrong here, they should be as unwelcome as
a poisonous snake or a deadly virus.
There is no accomodation with islam except on their
terms and those terms are unacceptable to any free man
or woman.


19 posted on 06/14/2016 6:04:17 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Kaslin
Yet, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama seemed either unable to recognize the roots of Mateen's malice, or they were inhibited from identifying those roots by the commands of political correctness.

More like the commands of their petro-lords.

If only Khrushchev had known, he could have won the Cold War by extending Soviet control over oil-rich nations, and skip the antiquated buffer-states thing with Eastern Europe.

But here we are, having won the Cold War, now losing the Greasy War because our leaders will comply with any oil-igarch who greases their palms. When do they fix the spelling on the coins: LUBE-RTY.

20 posted on 06/14/2016 6:27:46 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( It Can't Happen Here -- Sinclair Lewis.)
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