Posted on 06/09/2016 11:39:58 AM PDT by Kaslin
TWA 800 was destroyed twenty years ago this July off the coast of Long Island. Mike Wire was one of the 258 FBI witnesses who reported an apparent missile strike. The New York Times, which owned the story, interviewed not a single one of them. In the absence of real information, the CIA and FBI collaborated to discredit the eyewitnesses and advance an exploding fuel tank theory. Wire’s case is just one shocking example out of many. To learn more, see Jack Cashill’s introductory article in this series or his book, TWA 800: The Crash, The Cover-Up, The Conspiracy (Regnery: July 5).
Recently the CIA released documents pertaining to the tragic destruction of TWA 800. During review of those documents, I have learned that the CIA had designated me as Witness #1 to the heartbreaking events of that day. For the FBI, I was only Witness #571. How the CIA came to decide upon me is at the heart of this miscarriage of justice.
On July 17, 1996, I was working to get the new Beach Lane Bridge in Westhampton ready to open. The bridge crosses the narrow inland waterway and connects the mainland with a small strip of beach beyond.
As a millwright tradesman, I had been working all day in the mechanical room of the bridge. A little before 8:30 p.m. that night, I surfaced to get some air. I was talking to one of the many men working with me when I saw what looked like a cheap firework rising from beyond the houses along the beach. This wasn’t out of the ordinary for a summer weekday so close to the 4th of July.
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Not everyone is scared of the Clintons or the govt, not even in the military.
Not everyone stayed in long enough for a pension. Not everyone has a family. Some people have strong consciences. Some people would have been terminally ill with nothing to lose.
Once one person speaks up, others would be emboldened and any pattern of persecution would be confirmation.
And when you bring in other people to convey threats, the circle of knowledge increases. Yeah, you could just have the CO say, your lips are sealed forever, or else, but that probably isn’t enough.
If the Islip radar is picking up boats on the water then wouldn’t it pick up trucks, buildings, what have you on land? And if it was doing that then wouldn’t the ground clutter tend to mask the aircraft it’s supposed to be picking up?
It wouldn’t have affected Clinton if a terror attack and if a Navy mistake, he could have used that as an excuse to downsize the navy.
I think here on FR we finally concluded no shoulder fired missile had the altitude or range.
"We keep coming back, though, to a very troubling point for the conspiracy theorists, namely there is no shoulder fired missile that had the range to reach the airliner, unless (and even this is a stretch) directly under it at sea at the time it was fired."
You said it was "a stretch," but now you're retracting that statement entirely?
The site had actual photos and test results from the late 1990s showing the capabilities of the missiles. Unfortunately, those links are dead now.
-PJ
Don’t think so, but I am not going to re-debate this. I am aware of this, or a similar program. We talked about it ba k in 84 in our Trident book. It certainly is possile, but again there was no evidence os a warhead explosion. However, such a test could have been done without a warhead to prove the ejection/burn. That even a black program would conduct such a test over civilian airspace without clearing an area. That part is utterly not believable.
I don't share your blithe dismissals of what the government is capable of. And in any event, they still aren't talking about what they saw, because the cover story has been shown to be impossible: Associated Retired Aviation Professionals Flight 800 Investigation.
So the Military is going to take away their pension if they tell what they saw? On what basis? Sorry; not buying it.
The presidency was somewhat of a pleasant surprise, that he was not going to place in jeopardy for anything.
Both of them were and are obsessive control personalities.
Numerous oopsies were coming to a boil, and this took front row center during a crucial time.
If he thought for a minute that any terrorist or mistaken shoot down would have reflected on his 2nd campaign negatively, it would be totally scrubbed clean of any link to his presidency.
His lead was narrowing in late May and into June, and a disaster on his lap would have brought the race much closer, even with Dole as the opposition.
all of this is post fact.
The fact is it was a shoot down. The discussion should be why the cover up, not the shoot down.
It’s not hard to find the #s, and that anyone would plan a single-shot mission based on the wild possibility that they would be able to position a boat at the very farthest edge of such a missile’s range seems far fetched at best. But as I recall, we had a pretty inconclusive debate about whether even directly under the flight at exactly the right tkme a missile even then could reach the plane.
They cross-referenced the Islip, JFK, and Westchester (HPN) radars, as well as the Newark (EWR) and other radar sites.
-PJ
You mean like people who had the wild possibility of collapsing the World Trade Center by exploding a van bomb in its basement garage?
-PJ
And as convenient as it is to believe that, it certainly isn’t a fact, and worrying about a cover-up before establishing a “crime” is a waste of time.
I’m open to all explanations. I just found this particular poster interesting, he seems genuine and if so he has a closer view of how black programs operate than most of us.
His guess is a very bad decision by an operations manager to run his test near civilian airline traffic. From what he says in other posts they are quite autonomous and with only a tiny few in the loop there wouldn’t be much, if any, vetting.
Cool. Go with what you got.
That was pretty well planned and a little more explosive would have done the trick.
Yes. Intriguing, esp because these WERE being tested and it accounts for a explosive missile which other claims don’t.
But this would be the equivalent of testing a kinetic energy gun across the San Diego Freeway ar rush hour-—without clearance.
An aside, before I relate my recollection of that day: The missile need not be a MANPAD. It could easily have been a standard SA (surface to air) missile, rigged on a trawler.
My story: I happened to have taken a day off that day, so I was on the internet and watching MSNBC. Those were the days of the Clinton - Lewinski problem, and MSNBC was very good journalism back then. They had not started their leftward drift yet.
My internet useage was interrupted by a flash bulletin of the Flt 800 explosion, and within 2 minutes, a graphic was pasted on the screen that speculated that it was a ‘center fuel tank explosion.’ The parts of the plane had barely hit the sea, and this graphic was up.
That was very odd. But the thing that most caught my eye was the watermark: PROPERTY OF THE CIA.
I looked again, I thought I read it wrong.
PROPERTY OF THE CIA.
I got closer to my televison.
PROPERTY OF THE CIA.
*****WHAT****???? WHY was the CIA posting graphics on a PURE speculation while the fuselage parts were still hot enough to boil seawater???!?
5 minutes later, the graphic was shown again.
PROPERTY OF THE FAA.
That is the very moment I knew it was a coverup.
More planning it one way, but reality was something else. That's why a shoulder-launched missile on the extreme of "book" specs would still work. Most manufacturers are conservative about performance specs anyway, so things often exceed the published limits of performance.
-PJ
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