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Muhammad Ali has died at age 74
6-3-2016

Posted on 06/03/2016 9:22:34 PM PDT by BAW

No link as yet. TV stations have broken to news that Muhammad Ali had died.


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To: Theodore R.

Yep. Except for those of us who are still baseball fans.


261 posted on 06/04/2016 8:09:00 AM PDT by Pelham (Barack Obama. When being bad is not enough and only evil will do)
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To: datricker

It was good stuff. I liked him and I’m hopeful at some point he received Jesus.


262 posted on 06/04/2016 8:11:05 AM PDT by Jim W N
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To: BAW

He was quite the showman in the ring, a real memory of my childhood.

I hope he made peace with the Creator before he passed.


263 posted on 06/04/2016 8:38:22 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper ((Just say no to HRC))
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To: Larry Lucido

Great billboard! Someone ought to show that to Trump...he could afford a similar show of support—great stuff!


264 posted on 06/04/2016 8:40:08 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper ((Just say no to HRC))
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To: BenLurkin
Howard Cosell built his career on pimping for Cassius Clay.
Yes, he was already well known in the NYC area, but riding on Ali's coattails is what gave him international notoriety.
265 posted on 06/04/2016 8:43:49 AM PDT by Impala64ssa (You call me an islamophobe like it's a bad thing.)
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To: G Larry

“They didn’t prosecute others who were conscientious objectors.

The rejection of that status and prosecution was political.”

The conscientious objector status dated to at the Revolutionary War.

I served my time in Germany in the personnel department of a Signal Battalion, and there were two men that claimed CO status, seeking discharge.

Both performed their assigned duties, along with everybody else. One was a First Lieutenant, the other a Private First Class.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscientious_objector#United_States


266 posted on 06/04/2016 8:50:31 AM PDT by truth_seeker (#NeverHillary#NeeverBernie)
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To: GOPe Means Bend Over Spell Run

“This American will never praise Ali.”

I was not praising Clay. I was trying to show what a racist he was.

Also, I did not say that Clay refused to be drafted because of his comment about the North Vietnamese. Clay said that. I was merely repeating what he had said on live TV.


267 posted on 06/04/2016 10:11:38 AM PDT by spel_grammer_an_punct_polise (Why does every totalitarian, political hack think that he knows how to run my life better than I?)
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To: BAW

I concur with many earlier comments. His politics were dicey on a good day, but he was a great athlete and for the most part his heart was in the right place.

Memory eternal.


268 posted on 06/04/2016 10:11:48 AM PDT by NRx
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To: G Larry
He didn't dodge the draft; he resisted it honestly and took the consequences. I have a lot more respect for him than for actual draft-dodgers who concoct phony excuses about having a boil on their butt or being so crazy that they deliberately soil themselves or something.
269 posted on 06/04/2016 10:14:38 AM PDT by Cyberman
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To: eyedigress

But not the balls to serve his Country. I can name over 58,000 people with more courage than Clay.


270 posted on 06/04/2016 10:28:08 AM PDT by Portcall24
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To: Cyberman

His prosecution for his conscientious objector position was political.


271 posted on 06/04/2016 10:39:12 AM PDT by G Larry (Avoiding the Truth-Hillary's only expertise)
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To: Pelham
He’s a big reason if not the major reason that braggart athletes have become the norm

The reason for sports having been inundated with human trash is because the spectator applauds it. The reason sports fans applaud it is because we have become a nation devoid of values. The reason we have become a nation devoid of values is because stupid people of all intelligence levels, educational backgrounds and religions kept voting for democrats.

Cassius profited from the above. He had nothing to do with its creation.

BTW, I was born in his hometown, hence, my screen name. We even had mutual acquaintances. He was quite stupid, even before he turned his brain to mush in the ring.

272 posted on 06/04/2016 11:11:40 AM PDT by LouAvul (Freedom without responsibility is anarchy.)
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To: dr_lew

Thank you. I’m genuinely curious. How was my word choice thoughtless? I write and edit for a living, so I do consider my words carefully as much as I can. Of course, I start work very early, so by Friday night, my brain’s a bit mushy. :)

My intent was to compress that moment of choice to as short a time measurement I could think of to convey what I imagine to be an instantaneous choice. Does Jesus give us a moment to ponder? Is it an instant yes/no, one-time-only choice? These are things I truly wonder about.

My late dad was turned off religion (and by extension, faith) when his mother died when he was a young child. She was a Christian Scientist and refused treatment for an infection.

So, our family went to Unitarian Church when we were kids, which I got nothing out of, and then we attended a congregational church on Christmas. That was pretty much it, although I had God in my heart. My dad was always searching for the faith that he felt was taken from him.

We didn’t talk about it much, if at all. A month or so after he died, my mom called me to tell me about a dream she had, where he was talking to her, escorted by a tall column of light. He was happy and content. Right before they had to go, my mom asked him (which was strange, because she never expressed much about religion or faith either), “I have to know. Is Jesus Christ the Son of God?” He beamed and said emphatically, “Oh, yes.”

That’s what put me back on the path to seek God. I relayed this to a good friend who prayed with me throughout my divorce, and she said that was what someone would say when they absolutely KNEW that was the truth - and how they would say it. I’ve since relayed this to my pastor and my son - it was wonderful news to share.

So, that’s the reason for my wording. Did my dad have that yearning for God nestled so deeply in his heart that there was simply no other answer he could give? I hope so. Do lifelong doubters, but who don’t retain any hostility or pain toward religion and faith as they die, have such a moment of clarity that no other answer than “yes” is possible?

It’ll take until after my life here is done before I know for sure. But that’s the reason I used the word that I did.

Thanks for reading, and I’m looking forward to your perspective. :)


273 posted on 06/04/2016 11:19:20 AM PDT by bootless (Is life so dear or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it!)
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To: Pelham
He’s a big reason if not the major reason that braggart athletes have become the norm. But he is one of the major idols for the American Church of Sports, that particularly mindless sect that worships money and fame, so his place in that pantheon is secure despite grouching from heretics like me.

Those are some well written comments there that caught my eye. Ah .. braggarts. Lots of those about.

274 posted on 06/04/2016 11:21:02 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: sagar

wish we had a like button.

I was starting to think I was the only person in America not upset about this. My recollection of him was he was very arrogant. Yes, he has been sick but, I could never stand the guy. For the record and before he dies. Hate Pete Rose too, two peas in a bigmouth pod.


275 posted on 06/04/2016 11:34:11 AM PDT by genxer
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To: All

RIP


276 posted on 06/04/2016 11:58:47 AM PDT by CDB (Life is like licking honey from a thorn--old Balkan folk saying)
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To: Vaquero

>>Asked to elaborate on his endorsement of Mr. Reagan, Mr. Ali told reporters, ‘’He’s keeping God in schools and that’s enough.’’
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I didn’t know that. Good :)


277 posted on 06/04/2016 12:16:07 PM PDT by bootless (Is life so dear or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it!)
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To: PROCON

>>He’s in Hell...forever!<<

And you know this how?

Are you certain that he didn’t accept Jesus in his last moment?


278 posted on 06/04/2016 12:18:31 PM PDT by bootless (Is life so dear or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it!)
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To: SisterK

Yes, thank you.


279 posted on 06/04/2016 12:19:19 PM PDT by bootless (Is life so dear or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it!)
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To: Pelham

Good post. I can’t stand braggarts, even if they can back it up. We spent 12 years in student athletics and of course, a few of my son’s teammates thought that was how you rolled as an athlete. Thankfully, we also had great coaches who were interested in the boys’ development as human beings too, and they pretty much cut that out.

Even today, it’s the quiet pros that I admire the most. I like the “I Am Second” movement among Christian athletes.


280 posted on 06/04/2016 12:27:11 PM PDT by bootless (Is life so dear or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it!)
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