Posted on 05/16/2016 10:33:29 PM PDT by nickcarraway
"Its the first time Ive done something on the stage on the West Coast in a number of years, so Ive been writing a bunch of things," Michael Moore says by phone.
To promote Where to Invade Next? and discuss the presidential race now that Donald Trump is the presumptive Republican nominee, the filmmaker and left-wing provocateur is swinging through San Francisco this Sunday, May 15 for an engagement at the Warfield, An Afternoon With Michael Moore.
SF Weekly spoke with Moore about the decriminalization of drugs, Bernie Sanders' stamina, and the (rather surprising) figures he hopes the Democrats run in 2020 in the event of a Trump presidency. This conversation has been lightly edited for length and clarity.
What are some topics that people can expect you to broach? Im going to talk about the election, about my ideas on how to beat Trump, thats a lot of it. Im going to talk about whats happened in Flint, about what that means for the rest of the country, and Im going to probably show some clips and some running commentary, give my own insights into what Ive learned in making this most recent film.
With respect to Flint, is the moment over? Only mid-level heads are going to roll? I think right now, its over. Once Obama drank the glass of water and said it was OK people have already forgotten about Flint. It was a shameful thing that he did. And I really like him. I voted for him twice.
It provided cover for the Snyder Administration to weasel out of it? Yes, absolutely.
What would be your no. 1 thing that we could do to stop Trump? Hillarys leading, but she could really blow this thing. Unlike the morning we got up to vote for Obama, or for Bernie, theres not a lot of inspiration there that gets you excited and makes you want to believe shes going to make this world a better place. And so thats going to be the problem in terms of voter turnout. Look, this is going to be a very strange election. Its going to be a lot about who you hate least. Or rather, are there more people who hate Trump or more people who hate Hillary? I think probably if Hillary changed her name to not-Trump in the voting booth
Shed already get 45 percent of the vote. Exactly. Trump versus Not-Trump. But the good news is that 81 percent of the voting public is either female, people of color, or young adults between 18 and 35, and he has significantly pissed off all three of those groups. Mathematically, it doesnt seem like theres any way he can win, but a lot is going to come down between now and November. If we think its been weird to this point, its going to be even more so I think. Things that we cant even imagine are going to take place in the next six months. I think that both sides have things up their sleeves that were not even thinking about. It seems like its been crazy to this point, but the primaries were like Nick at Nite and now were at Adult Swim.
Do you think that a Hillary Clinton Administration would largely be a continuation of the Obama Administration, although incrementally more hawkish? Shell be to the right of Obama and more hawkish. First of all, it would be historic that we elect a woman. That cant be overlooked, and the fact that she would be in office on the 100th anniversary of women getting the vote in this country. Symbolically, those are important things. Another positive is that she has moved further to the left thanks to Sanders being in the race. Now whether shell stick to the things hes changed her mind on, we dont know. The other way to look at this, too, is that shes been really abused, mercilessly, for the last 20 or 25 years. If she gets in there she might just roll up her sleeves and do something things that if people thought they were afraid of her before, shes going to maybe end up doing a lot of good. That remains to be seen.
Lets assume that Sanders does wind down his campaign, where do you see the movement that hes stoked going in the future? I think people hope that will continues. A lot of it is in Benies hands. I dont know where hes getting the energy to keep going the way hes going. Its amazing at his age.
But if the Democrats sweep 2016, the electoral map for 2018 is really grim, especially in the Senate. They have a lot of marginal seats in purple states that would be up for election in a midterm so the energy would need to be sustained to avoid a repeating 2010 or 2014 when the Democrats got walloped. I think thats a very important point, and its also important that Trump may cause the collapse of the Republican control of Congress this year. And if thats the case, Hillarys got to not do what Obama did those first two years and really move fast.
Lets just say Trump won in 2016 and the Repubs maintained their majorities in both chambers but does what we expect him to do, which is collapse. The 2020 election is also a census year, and whoever controls Congress and the state governments then will be in charge of redistricting. Looking ahead, it seems 2020 is so much more important. If we lose this year, then for 2020, we should probably start to take a page out of the other sides book and run people that can win. Run the kind of people that they run. Donald Trump had a hugely popular television show, and he is essentially a performance artist. Why dont we run our own beloved, well-known person and win? What is wrong with that? Why dont we ever think like that? They run Reagan, they run Schwarzenegger, they run Trump. When are we going to convince Oprah or Tom Hanks to run?
Would you vote for Tom Hanks? Absolutely! Everyone would vote for Tom Hanks! His politics are pretty good. And hes beloved. Beloved! Whats wrong with winning?
Well, Oprahs unimpeachable. I would definitely vote for Oprah in a heartbeat. Exactly!
What is one feature of a genuinely advanced democracy that you would love to see imported to the U.S. For example, the drug decriminalization in Portugal. Thats what I would say: End the war on drugs. Just end it and release from prison the people that weve locked up for drug possession. That would be one of the most human things we can do, and we should try to restructure our entire criminal justice and incarceration system. I think, though, the things in the film that we could see happen in the next few years are paid maternity leave, college being free or nearly free at least tuition-wise. There are things that can happen very soon and locally. Parents can do things that are very important, like getting the school boards to have healthier lunches for their children.
One of the points that we didnt intend when we made the film Bernie had not announced that he was running, probably if you polled the crew most people would have hoped Elizabeth Warren would run but its a two-hour Exhibit A that Bernies ideas are not pie-in-the-sky. They exist, and theyve existed for decades in other countries, and they work. And they cost less money. One of the biggest lies that Americans are told is that Europeans and Canadians pay more in taxes. No, they dont. They may pay more in whats called taxes and its not a lot more but we get away with making it look like we pay less in taxes by not calling things taxes. When they get to go to college for free, when day-care is free, when they have paid maternity leaves, and nursing homes for elderly parents we have to shell out lots of money for these things.
Like when Mitt Romney was governor of Massachusetts he lowered taxes and raised fees? I mean that in these other countries theyre not shelling out all this money to pay off student loans, or the crazy amount that parents have to pay in day care fees. When you add that all up, were shelling out a lot more from our pockets than the French are, than the Germans are, etc. One of the things that I think the film has done is bring a lot of truth to people and confronted a lot of the B.S.
An Afternoon With Michael Moore, Sunday, May 15, 3 p.m., $28-$48, at the Warfield, 982 Market St., thewarfieldtheatre.com.
I wondered what that shaking was... Michael Moore making his 3 inch jumps trying to grab that pie.
LOL.
My cognitive functions broke down completely at “when we woke up to vote for Obama to make a better world.”
I thought this was about politics on earth until that point.
Who cares?
Candidates wait breathlessly for the leader of the coveted Slob Voting Bloc to make his decision.
Michael Moore’s political views are so obnoxious, to give a comparison would repulse anyone who would read it. You know he is in the tank with Bernie Sanders, a Communist. He has a sense that Hillary will get the nomination and Sander’s Utopian America will not give him the Communism he wishes for. Communism is not a wish, it is a nightmare and Moore is living in a pipe dream induced by strong THC.
Just another 60’s radical-type, who was probably too young at the time to really know what was happening.
Michael Moore is what you get when parents cannot stand their child and kept him outside the house during most of his youth so he would not annoy them.
I feel dumber for even having scanned through this. Honestly, an interview with Cartman on South Park would yield better insight.
This guy is going to have the Mother of All Heart Attacks the morning after Trump is elected.
Who Would Michael Moore Vote For?
The person that promises free Twinkies.
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