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To: DFG

Yep. Those guys were amazing.

The Japanese pilots were so intent on killing Americans (see Bushido) that they broke discipline and left their carriers open to attack by the dive bombers.

What it must have been like to be at the back of the formation of torpedo planes that were attacking! You see your buddies being destroyed but you slowly lumber on hoping that they might miss you but knowing you are going to die.

We didn’t just destroy four Japanese aircraft carriers at Midway.

We destroyed the morale of the Japanese Navy.

They saw those big, slow torpedo planes pressing the attack. They realized our guys were just as brave and disciplined as they were.

Those American sailors shocked the Japanese to their very hearts!

Hooray for the torpedo plane crews and hooray for the dive bomber crews who pressed the attack!

My God....the courage.


7 posted on 05/14/2016 11:22:49 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: blueunicorn6
Hooray for the torpedo plane crews and hooray for the dive bomber crews who pressed the attack!

And for every man who took up his weapon and stood on the wall during that tragic time.

My God....the courage.

Hear, hear!!!

9 posted on 05/14/2016 11:26:27 AM PDT by IronJack
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To: blueunicorn6

The TBD Devastator was obsolete even before the war started. Sad to start a war with obsolete equipment. It was really a biplane wot the top wing cut off.


10 posted on 05/14/2016 11:29:10 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: blueunicorn6

It was more than that.

After pilots dropped their one torpedo, and were utterly incapable of further attacks, they got back in formation with their colleagues pressing their attacks.

They couldn’t do anything to hurt the Japanese, but they could still draw fire away from those who could.


12 posted on 05/14/2016 11:34:11 AM PDT by null and void ("when authority began inspiring contempt, it had stopped being authority" ~ H. Beam Piper)
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To: blueunicorn6

Beyond description


13 posted on 05/14/2016 11:40:34 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (#BoycottTarget Women and children should not be targets of Democratic constituencies)
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To: blueunicorn6

Herman Wouk’s War and Rememberance is a must read to understand the incredible sacrifice of the torpedo plane squadrons....they knew their mission was virtually doomed to fail, and that they would probably all be killed.

Although the two books The Winds Of War and War And Remembrance are fictional stories, they accurately describe the true history of WWII.

When it came to the telling of the story of the Battle of Midway, Wouk broke from the fictional narrative to describe the actual men of the torpedo plane squadrons...he was so moved by their heroics, he dedicated that section of the book to them, so that what they specifically did would never be forgotten.


16 posted on 05/14/2016 11:50:19 AM PDT by rottndog ('Live Free Or Die' Ain't just words on a bumber sticker...or a tagline.)
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To: blueunicorn6

Commander John C. Waldron stuck it to the Jap bastards with his dying breath.


30 posted on 05/14/2016 12:44:19 PM PDT by kiryandil (To the GOPee: "Giving the Democrats the Supreme Court means you ARE the Democrats.")
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To: blueunicorn6

The primary reason the Japanese fighter CAP devoted all their attention to the torpedo planes is that coordination with the dive bombers broke down; they were supposed to go in together, and force the enemy to divide their defenses. But in the desperate search for the Japanese carriers, the torpedo and dive bomber formations lost sight of each other. When Lt Cmdr John Waldron (leader of Torpedo 8 from the USS Hornet) spotted the enemy flattops, he decided to press home his attack, realizing that without the dive bombers and fighter escort, it would be a suicide mission.

Many also forget that Waldron attacked the Japanese fleet with literally “half a squadron” that morning. His unit was among the first slated to receive the new TBF Avenger, and Waldron sent his less experienced pilots, gunners and maintenance troops to qualify in the TBF. Before Waldron and the rest of the squadron could complete the conversion, the Hornet was ordered to the Pacific, so the elements of Torpedo 8 still equipped with the obsolete TBDs sailed with her.

Meanwhile, the Avenger detachment had completed the conversion and headed for the Pacific, hoping to link up with the rest of the squadron at Pearl Harbor. But they arrived in Hawaii one day after the carrier deployed to Midway, so Navy commanders decided to send the Avenger-equipped element of Torpedo 8 to the island, and become part of the land-based air element that would attack the Japanese fleet in the early stages of the battle.

The crews flying the new TBFs fared only marginally better than Waldron and his men in the TBDs. Only one of the Avengers survived the battle; the last survivor from that crew, Radioman 3rd Class Harry Ferrier, died less than a month ago. Ferrier joined the Navy at 16 (his mother helped him forge his birth certificate) and flew in battle at Midway before his 18th birthday. Ferrier went on to serve 30 years in the Navy, earned his commission and retired as a Commander in 1971.

Here’s a link to Commander Ferrier’s obituary from last month:

http://obits.dignitymemorial.com/dignity-memorial/obituary.aspx?n=Harry-Ferrier&lc=6736&pid=179767194&mid=6906740

With the passing of Captain Kleiss and Commander Ferrier, I wonder: are there any former crew members still living who turned the course of World War II in the matter of a few minutes? These men are not only amazing; they are national treasures.


31 posted on 05/14/2016 12:51:02 PM PDT by ExNewsExSpook
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To: blueunicorn6
They saw those big, slow torpedo planes pressing the attack. They realized our guys were just as brave and disciplined as they were.

We were MORE brave and disciplined than the Japanese during World War 2.

34 posted on 05/14/2016 12:53:17 PM PDT by MuttTheHoople (Yes, Liberals, I question your patriotism)
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