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To: Fractal Trader

I think we are witnessing a fundamental moving of the parties that demographers were warning about for years.

The Demoocrats will from now on move more and more toward a European socialist model. The Republican party will slide to the left occupying the moderate Democrat space.

It’s no wonder old-timers like George Will are upset. They’re seeing the death of the party they worked for for 50 years. The first time I saw George Will was in the 1970’s. William Buckley had a PBS show where he did a formal debate on a topic of the day. The one I remember the most was the Panama Canal Treaty. It was Buckley versus Ronald Reagan with youngsters Pat Buchanon and George Will rounding out the teams. Will was a regular on the show for as long as it was on.

For decades the party has been warned that the demographics of the country are changing and the traditional Conservative positions of Pro-life, low taxes, strong military, balanced budgets and constitutionalism was becoming less and less tenable. With the nomination of Trump, that fear is becoming reality, and it’s no surprise that the old guys are resisting the change.

Of course it’s their own fault because the Republican Party made no efforts to educate the new generations to their positions, or reaching out to the increasing numbers of minorities, or even fighting for their positions. The Republlicans were for balanced budgets? Hah. You couldn’t prove it the last few years even while they had the House and Senate. They can’t even write a budget to vote on.

Regardless of whose fault it is though, for many there will be a period of mourning as Trump takes the party in a very new direction away from the low taxes, Constitutionalism, religious right, interventionalist military positions that the party has held onto for a lifetime.

Maybe it had to happen. The demographics of the country are no longer what they were in 1980, but it will be up to Trump to salve those wounds to get those party workers who’ve volunteered for 10 different candidates manning the phones and walking the precincts their whole lifetime to work for him too. Since he has not put together a field organization, he’s going to need the local ones extant, and those are filled with 70 year old ladies who are just sick, thinking they’re seeing the death of the party they worked for their whole life.

Is Trump up to the job? We’ll see but the vulgarities isn’t helping him with that group of people that he will need to win.


86 posted on 04/29/2016 9:20:48 PM PDT by Beernoser
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To: Beernoser

Your analysis only ignores that:

1. If immigration continues, the new immigrants will create a permanent Democrat majority with the new votes from immigrants.

2. Trump is the only one even talking about stopping immigration.

That little minor point is the only thing that you missed.


96 posted on 04/29/2016 9:25:58 PM PDT by TTFX
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To: Beernoser
Good assessment...except for the Trump vulgarities comment. He is who he is. He won the South. He is winning evangelicals. They seem to be able to handle his 'vulgarities'. Despite what the MSM wants to tell you, Trump is winning the women's vote, educated, less educated...

No candidate has connected with the people like this since Reagan. Yes, it's odd. But our country is odd right now, lol.

109 posted on 04/29/2016 9:37:11 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: Beernoser
Your analysis is BS. The GOP party had strayed from its path and embraced globalism and military adventurism. These were historic Republican values. The base allowed that because they thought in time these new policies would produce world peace and prosperity.

We got neither.

The GOP base is returning to its roots and is rejecting the globalist and interventionist George Will mutation of the historic GOP party.

110 posted on 04/29/2016 9:38:06 PM PDT by Trumpinator ("Are you Batman?" the boy asked. "I am Batman," Trump said.)
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To: Beernoser
How old are YOU and how many 70 year old GOP ladies do you know personally?

Trust me, such women desperately want this nation to go back to the way it was back in their salad days, which is exactly where Trump also wants to take it, including lowering taxes!

Since they were young women when the "FREE SPEECH MOVEMENT" began, they are hardly "shocked" by, nor are they "clutching their pearls" over Trump's supposed "vulgarities"!

Frankly, you're just BLOWING SMOKE and don't know what you're talking about at all !

145 posted on 04/29/2016 10:06:41 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Beernoser
Since he has not put together a field organization, he’s going to need the local ones extant, and those are filled with 70 year old ladies who are just sick, thinking they’re seeing the death of the party they worked for their whole life.

Yeah. Those are the ONLY people who are begrudgingly going to be in charge of the GOTV for Trump.

You are delusional.

151 posted on 04/29/2016 10:15:00 PM PDT by mplsconservative
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To: Beernoser; TTFX; Trumpinator; nopardons; mplsconservative

Ttfx, trumpinator, nopardons, mold conservative

Good points refuting beernoser.

What beernoser has described as ‘conservative’ is GOPe & elitist globalism leaven mixed in with the traditional values loaf.

Trump wants the leaven removed; beernoser wants it left in.

Also see this; a few posts in ‘15, before that, posts in ‘08/’09... but lots in this year:

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/by:beernoser/index?tab=comments;brevity=full;options=no-change


210 posted on 04/30/2016 1:49:54 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57, returning after lurking since 2000)
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