Posted on 04/22/2016 11:01:39 AM PDT by detective
“Which doesn’t apply here.”
Why not?
To work someplace else.
Free speech includes repercussions. And sports announcers are never truly away from work. They always represent their company, their actions always reflect on the company, and the company can decide they don’t like how you’re making them look. Heck even non-public persona have that. There’s specific stuff I’m not allowed to do in social media (especially Linkedin) because my company doesn’t want any chance of my activity being construed as their opinion, and I’m just a QA engineer.
Yes but he was expressing support for an existing law. He wasn’t supporting anything illegal or immoral.
You’re wrong. This goes back to the earliest days of periodicals at least. Companies decide the image they want to maintain and if the employee fails to maintain that they’re gone.
Me firing you for presenting an image counter to what I want my corporate image to be does not deprive you of life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness. It is ending a mutually voluntary relationship. Much like how you’re free to quit when I tell you what our corporate image is going to be.
Doesn’t matter. It runs counter to the image ESPN wishes to project. That is always a fire-able offense.
The First Amendment applies only to the government stifling it.
You are free to speak your opinion. You are not, however, free from the consequences of speaking your opinion. If your opinion differs from that of your employer, and you cause embarrassment to your employer, or you speak out contrary to your employer's wishes, you can be fired for cause.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."
Arguably, the "right to free expression" is included in the "among" above and is to be secured by government, all else being equal. "All else being equal" would take into account any restriction agreed to in a contractual arrangement and any restriction necessitated by a conflict with other rights.
It depends on his contract. They can “fire” him but they may still have to pay him, which is the same thing as being paid to not work.
Given that Curt isn’t the first guy they’ve fired for stepping into territory they didn’t want stepped in you can be pretty sure the contract has a long list of violations that result in you leave and no pay. They are a Disney company after all, don’t mess with the mouse.
Yes but it would be impossible to draw up a contract that said “support a law the company doesn’t like”.
It was a specious reason for firing so I suspect they are paying him to stay home.
Trivia: Schilling was an avid Squad Leader player, an Avalon board game famous for being so detailed/tedious.
I’m referring to the irrational, PC, hyper-sensitive nonsense.
There’s also the issue of intent.
And being reasonable. I know - being ‘reasonable’ is subjective, and we live in a world where reason is all but a casualty.
Ruining the life of white males seems to be a sport (no pun intended) with an increasing number of going concerns and government. Cultural Marxism does service to no one.
“Say what you want, but any salesman will tell you you have to know your target audience.”
Sorry, I am not selling anything. I don’t have a target audience, nor any of all that other crap.
I am tired of being told that I have to respect others beliefs and culture, when no respect is given to any of my beliefs and culture. Respect is a two-way street, not a one-way street running away from me.
Besides, most of what is being pushed is against either the Constitution or one of the enumerated Constitutional Amendments. If they followed all that, no one would have any issues.
Sorry, but as one Okie to another, you sound totally brainwashed.
John 3:19
ESPN and America are perfect examples of it....
They wouldn’t have to, that’s you narrowing the point to make it seem different than it is. All the contract has to say is “presenting an image of the network, via the network or other media, that run counter to the values of the network”.
It’s not specious at all. It’s not like it’s the first time they’ve called him for going against the line. It’s the same concept that keeps getting Keith Olbermann fired by ESPN and NBC and every place else he works.
I owned Squad Leader, not as detailed as Battle of Britain. I used to have a lot of the AH catalog.
There’s always somebody to offend and some company that doesn’t want to offend them.
His life’s not ruined. Plenty of people have been fired by ESPN and lived to tell the tale on one of the other networks, there’s only a couple dozen of them.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men..."
Arguably, the "right to free speech" is included in the "among" above and is to be secured by government, all else being equal. "All else being equal" would take into account any restriction agreed to in a contractual arrangement and any restriction necessitated by a conflict with other rights.
Again, say what you want. I’ve been hearing these same arguments for years and they do not work.
Ted Cruz’s situation is a perfect example. He’s going nowhere fast.
You have the freedom to speak your mind, what you don't have is freedom from the repercussions of speaking your mind. Think Dixie Chicks. They spoke their minds, they suffered for it, but didn't think they should have. They complained it was freedom of speech, but didn't realize that went both ways. My freedom to speak against them by not buying their products, complaining to radio stations playing them, et-cetera.
I agree with what Curt said, but if what he said ran contrary to his employer's criteria, then they can fire him. If we don't like what ESPN did, we, too can voice our opinions and "fire" them.
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