Posted on 04/20/2016 12:01:45 PM PDT by dirtboy
Sen. Ted Cruz for the first time said he believes the Republican Party is headed to a contested convention.
Cruz had previously called a contested convention likely and that it seemed the party was heading in that direction. But after a disappointing third-place loss in New York Tuesday, the Texas Republican is no longer saying he plans to beat front-runner Donald Trump at the ballot box.
"We are headed to a contested convention,” Cruz said in an interview with Philadelphia talk-radio personality Chris Stigall this morning. “At this point, nobody is getting 1,237. Donald is going to talk all the time about other folks not getting to 1,237; he’s not getting there either. None of us are getting to 1,237.”
And he’s right about one thing. After the New York primary, it is now mathematically impossible for Cruz to clinch the Republican nomination using bound or pledged delegates before the July convention in Cleveland.
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
I didn’t buy into him for president, but I was willing to go V.P. or SCOTUS appointment.
Now, I’ve written him off.
Sad really.
There’s something about that guy.
This is getting boring. Maybe they should have a duel like Hamilton and Burr.
He/she has been begging for it. ;>)
I think no such thing. The party in Colorado is, I suppose, like parties in every other state, depends heavily on activists. Those are the people who invest time and money. Did Trump even try to get these people on his side? Trump has surged ahead by ginning up enthusiasm. But how were of these were the enthusiasts of 2009 who then became amateur politicians who did the nitty gritty work of organizations that collectively became know as the Tea Party movement? The ground game actually consist largely in making yourself known to such people. To get them to think of your candidate as a reasonable choice. You defame them by talking about them as pawns, just as Trump does by objecting to wining and dining them. This is the sort of politics that has sheen going on since the time that George Washington rolled out the barrel for voters in his day. Voters who, by the way, were relatively the same sort as the people in Colorado.
It is amusing that your entire post had absolutely nothing to do with anything that I posted. I mentioned Wyoming, you changed the state to Colorado. I never said anything about what you “think”. We do not seem to be able to communicate through the written word. I have no clue what you are thinking. You went on a meaningless rant I suppose trying to equivocate for Cruz’s blatant and continuing attempts to disenfranchise millions of voters.
Sure, fire away.
My choice, too. Until about June 30th of last year.
And now, sure enough, Trump’s own words incriminate him as being in the amnesty camp as recently as 2012: “The Republican Party will continue to lose presidential elections if it comes across as mean-spirited and unwelcoming toward people of color, Donald Trump tells Newsmax. Romney’s solution of “self deportation” for illegal aliens made no sense and suggested that Republicans do not care about Hispanics in general, Trump says. “He had a crazy policy of self deportation which was maniacal,” Trump says.
Ditto. Early on this even led to some pretty serious disagreements with Mrs. Soldier. Turns out she was right, (she had Trump from the beginning) and I was wrong. I gave up on Cruz on a Friday night in Chicago when Cruz refused to defend Trump's 1st amendment rights.
Since that time I have come to dispise Cruz. Can't stand the guy! Hypocrite, far more establishment than he had previously let on, marriage of convenience like the Clintons, smarmy debater/speaker overtly full of himself, divider, has records sealed just like Obama, foreign born just like Obama, uses fake name just like Obama, and the list goes on.
At this point I am definitely a Never Cruz voter. I feel exactly about him like I feel about the Clintons, the Obamas, Mitch McConnell, John McCain, and Lindsay Graham.
Trump was expected to win New York. He won New York.
His path to 1237 hasn’t changed... he still can’t make it.
I guess we need to spell it out for you. Trump outperformed the polls, instead of getting the expected 65-70 delegates he got 91. Cruz got none and was mathematically eliminated from getting to a majority before the convention.
Trump needs to get only 56% of the remaining bound delegates in states that the polls indicate were already mostly going overwhelmingly to Trump. But today even the AP announced that Cruz can no longer get a majority before the convention today... that will cause many who believe that a contested convention is a bad thing to reconsider voting for Cruz. Trump will easily reach 1237.
What I said for Colorado generally goes for any state. The state parties are composed not just employees or officials but manly of ordinary people who put their time and money in and ought not to talked about as if they were pawns. The average person who participates in an election, how much time and effort does he give? IAC, how in the world is Cruz or Kasich or Trump for that matter“disenfranchising” anyone if he talks to people who are not part of a slate but individuals bound to vote for a candidate only to the extent required by the state party. The rules governing delegates vary greatly from state to state. The rights of individual citizens under party rules vary also from state to state. Results of a popular vote that bind a delegate in one state are no more than a straw vote in another, although the people going into the voting booth may think they are actually the same. The valid complaint that people have is that the parties make rules that are too complicated for many(most?) people who take part in the choosing of delegates to follow. The media, of course, is little help at all. Find if you can. in any paper in any state a detailed explanation of the rules. Maybe Iowa. but what about New Hampshire or Georgia? Beyond that: how many people even WANT to know the ins and outs? Most people vote only to express their personal opinion, Woe to anyone who suggests that a vote in a primary is not binding.
Robbie the contests in Colorado and Wyoming were both repugnant. As word has gotten out about the corruption of the leadership and how the process was handled the GOP has been damaged. No amount of equivocating can make it right. I am not blaming Cruz, Kasich or Trump, this was a failure that has stained the party leadership.
I know very well how the process works having been involved in local politics, as a volunteer myself. And yes my fellow Republicans are mostly very decent people. The people that I have problems with are the lawyers who all seem to believe that they are more important than everyone else regardless of their actual accomplishments. They are mostly despicable on so many levels and unfortunately do make up a sizable percentage of the leadership.
Cruz is very Nixonian.
Right off the bat you make a big error. You have much to learn and so do those that share your view. It’s not your fault entirely, it’s also that you don’t understand American subcultures and different sets of family values. And I am not referring to the binary world of conservative vs. liberal. I am referring to mindsets that develop in response to environments that surround them. That’s what you’re missing and that’s why you’re boxed into a narrow view as not much else makes sense to you because you simply are missing the experience. I will try to correct that for you.
You also need to post the whole write-up in order for people to see the context, and then you need to convey to your reader the culture of being a New Yorker which in this context are those traits that stand out and make America a beacon of freedom and a leader to the world.
http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Donald-Trump-Ronald-Kessler/2012/11/26/id/465363/
Negatives of NY culture notwithstanding, Trump put on the finer touches of NY culture that make people around the world really love America. When you get to that part, then you discuss what Donald was saying and why it makes so much sense.
I am at an advantage because I have lots of family in Texas, many in New York and Pennsylvania, many in Virginia, Maryland and the DC area, and also very close relatives in South Carolina, as well as California. And my niece who has 3 children lives in Alaska. But it’s more than just geographical variation, it’s also that I have spent great amounts of time in those places (not so much in Alaska) and as a result have a depth of experience that most others do not possess.
I know if a family member or friend says X, they meant to say X and Y, but they shortened or truncated their thinking perhaps because they were talking fast because maybe they live in NY, but others may conclude that X and not Y was what was meant and the result is a conflict.
So you have to know people and their culture to be able to more completely understand what they say, mean and think. In court. good lawyers make that abundantly clear on behalf of their clients. And the lawyers that might be reading this post know exactly what I am talking about.
When a police officer answers a complaint, they may listen to 500 words of a person referred to in the complaint but selectively choose 15 in which to base probable cause for arrest. It’s not fair but that is the limits of minds and their language. It’s why lawyers always say don’t say a word to the police until you have a lawyer by your side to speak on your behalf.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc (you should take the time to watch all of this)
This is relevant to the subject of Trump because what you’re doing is similar to standing like a police officer with your notepad taking notes of what Trump said, and you hear (or read) words and phrases like “unwelcoming toward people of color”, “self deportation for illegal aliens made no sense”, and based on these remarks, you close up your notebook and read Donald his rights as you cuff him and take him in to be booked as an ‘amnesty camp’ dweller. Yep. another one of those amnesty liberals who needs to spend some time in reflection inside a cell. Book him Danno! Another amnestytard for the cell block!
So now the cultural background. Picture a family dinner table, with family members and friends in NY and the subject is illegal aliens. The question is what to do about them. Suppose each person at the table is a native NYer and each was schooled in welcoming people from around the world because that’s the history of NY and the value of its humanity. Everyone agrees at the table in basic humanity and rights to people. But, there are members at the table that point out that appreciating and attaching value to the Rule of Law is just as important and even more important. So a debate ensues and people nod their heads in agreement that as Americans we have to continue to show a spirit of welcoming immigrants, of offering friendship, but ... BUT they have to come in legally. Now you may begin to see where Donald Trump is coming from.
What you did that was in error in your post to me, was to immediately jump to an incorrect inference that Trump was “in the amnesty camp as recently as 2012”; far from it, very far from it.
What Trump was conveying in the totality of his message was that Romney’s image was awful and not attractive. To win elections one needs to be attractive to a large swath of all the cultures in the United States and, ... and importantly, ... stand for the Rule of Law.
Rule of Law, border enforcement, Wall, always pointing to the tragedy of Kate Steinle, of Jamiel Shaw Jr. and others; these are not the marks of a charlatan. These heartfelt conveyances are from a man who wants a stop put to the senseless border chaos and the crazy immigration system that America has in place. Donald Trump knows that the border can never be secure without a wall. His sincerity is seen in the spread of his message to the American people. If he was some sort of Clinton trojan horse, some sort of Plan B for Clinton, he certainly wouldn’t be educating Americans on such a wide scale about the dangers of its border problems.
Now I suggest you go back and read the Newsmax piece (linked above) and try to understand the entire message in the spirit of Donald Trump. Note that nowhere is the word ‘amnesty’ mentioned but there are ‘trigger words’ that made your mind jump to ‘amnesty’.
We will continue to message about this Newsmax piece before moving on to other issues because we will get this one down fully first.
sCruz is busTED.
“So, you want Hillary to win? Sounds like that is your plan, as well as Cruz’s. Yes, you are delusional.”
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Hardly delusional...the choice of Hillary or Trump is no choice, they are both repugnant Liberal Democrats...Trump is as phony as a $3 bill, all vitriolic bluster to get the ill-informed and under-educated riled up!
He will never build a wall or deport people, Congress will block him at every turn; even a Pubbie Congress, if they survive this election, will make his life miserable...Senator Cruz will be his worst enemy, ‘back to filibuster city’...a likely Democrat Congress will tell POTUS Trump...”fugget-about-it”!
Trump is a totally phony Conservative, only recently converted to Republican, yeah right!...Hildy is an even bigger phony and a crook...thus, the choice is really not a very clear choice!
Historically, I always do much better financially under Democrat Presidents...Pubbie Presidents always seems to suffer recessions!
Maybe, it is time to vote for Hildy?...Not! But, I would consider the Bern because at least one can respect his honesty, as a socialist.
Ted needs to drop out for the good of the party - we are focusing on Hillary Ted - your toast, please get it, you’re supposed to be smart and you’re acting like an imbecile.
“hat’s all I have to know about you to know that you prefer Trump over your country.”
I prefer a man who doesn’t prostitute himself to the Establishment Republicans.
“The Cruz campaign told supporters he would get 25%, and win some delegates.”
Yeah, well Cruz is still lying, and changing the subject a la Rubio, and even Milquetoast Hannity finally had enough of him.
Uniparty ball wrecking is his only hope. He has no idea how slim that hope really is.
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