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The Definitive Birther Smackdown
Conservative Review ^
| 04/16/16
| Steve Deace
Posted on 04/17/2016 5:57:25 PM PDT by writer33
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If you believe both parents have to be natural born to be qualified to be president, then you actually believe Millard Fillmore was the first president and not George Washington. If you believe both parents have to be natural born to be qualified to be president, then Donald Trump is also ineligible because his mother was born in Scotland and became a naturalized citizen, just like Rafael Cruz.
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posted on
04/17/2016 5:57:25 PM PDT
by
writer33
To: writer33
> So either he is an illegal alien or a natural born citizen. There is no middle ground. If you don’t believe he is a natural born citizen, then you believe there is an illegal alien serving in the U.S. Senate.
The author is an idiot.
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posted on
04/17/2016 5:58:34 PM PDT
by
Ray76
(Judge Roy Moore for Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States)
To: writer33
> If you believe both parents have to be natural born to be qualified to be president, then you actually believe Millard Fillmore was the first president and not George Washington. If you believe both parents have to be natural born to be qualified to be president, then Donald Trump is also ineligible because his mother was born in Scotland and became a naturalized citizen, just like Rafael Cruz.
Nice straw man.
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posted on
04/17/2016 5:59:07 PM PDT
by
Ray76
(Judge Roy Moore for Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States)
To: writer33
born on US soil to TWO CITIZEN parents. Try reading senate resolution #511.
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posted on
04/17/2016 5:59:33 PM PDT
by
biggredd1
To: writer33
he forgots to mention lil marco, an anchor baby whose parents became CITIZENS 5 years AFTER marco was hatched.
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posted on
04/17/2016 6:01:36 PM PDT
by
biggredd1
To: writer33
Don’t blame me, I didn’t say it:
posted on 5/12/2010, 3:03:41 PM by 2ndDivisionVet (Dont care if he was born in a manger on July 4th! A Natural Born citizen requires two US parents!)
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posted on
04/17/2016 6:02:00 PM PDT
by
JoSixChip
(Cruz <- sleaze; Clinton <- criminal; Trump <- write-in)
To: biggredd1
The 14th Amendment makes it clear with "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" that citizenship in America is determined by jurisdiction and not geography. This is how John McCain was a natural born citizen while being born in the Panama Canal Zone his father was serving in the military under the jurisdiction of the U.S. government. Ditto for my wife born in then-West Germany while her father was in the 101st Airborne. Cruz's mother was a natural born citizen, therefore she was under the jurisdiction of the U.S. government when he was born in Canada. This makes Ted a natural born citizen, as at least three court cases in the past year have agreed as well as Congressional statute and all other judicial precedents.
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posted on
04/17/2016 6:02:13 PM PDT
by
writer33
(Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
To: writer33
Who believes both parents have to be “natural born citizens?” Most “birthers” who subscribe to Vattel believe both parents have to be citizens.
The GW reference is ignorant, since the Constitution at its adoption ‘grandfathered’ in those who were citizens at the time. None of the Founders or Framers could possibly have been citizens of the US at the time of their birth. Duh.
Real “definitive.”
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posted on
04/17/2016 6:02:31 PM PDT
by
EDINVA
To: writer33
So either he is an illegal alien or a natural born citizen. Non sequitur. He could also be a naturalized citizen.
Once you've made such an obvious mistake, any credibility you might have had evaporates.
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posted on
04/17/2016 6:03:58 PM PDT
by
DiogenesLamp
("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
To: writer33
try TWO citizen parents, this aint canada.
To: Ray76
The author is an idiot. First thing I thought.
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posted on
04/17/2016 6:04:22 PM PDT
by
DiogenesLamp
("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
To: writer33
Cases where the judge didn’t even read the briefs.
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posted on
04/17/2016 6:05:01 PM PDT
by
Ray76
(Judge Roy Moore for Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States)
To: biggredd1
Then Donald Trump is also disqualified to be POTUS as well by that measuring stick.
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posted on
04/17/2016 6:05:07 PM PDT
by
writer33
(Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
To: writer33
I knew you would agree your canuck aint eligible.
To: writer33
Trump’s parents where both US citizens.
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posted on
04/17/2016 6:06:19 PM PDT
by
Ray76
(Judge Roy Moore for Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States)
To: Ray76
But both weren’t born in the U.S. This is a loser of an argument. It’s was shot down with Obama and it’ll be the same, but any party that wants to take it to court and lose, they certainly have the right to do so.
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posted on
04/17/2016 6:07:42 PM PDT
by
writer33
(Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
To: writer33
One of the more stupid things I’ve read today and there have been a lot.
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posted on
04/17/2016 6:08:13 PM PDT
by
Duchess47
("One day I will leave this world and dream myself to Reality" Crazy Horse)
To: Duchess47
Then do yourself a favor and stop reading.
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posted on
04/17/2016 6:10:37 PM PDT
by
writer33
(Mark Levin Is The Constitutional Engine Of Conservatism)
To: Ray76
Your comment: “The author is an idiot.”
You are correct, but every once in a while, even idiots get the right answer.
The best discussion of this issue with an excellent argument for each side of this dispute can be found at the link below. In the end, Mr. Ramsey concludes that Mr. Cruz is eligible for the Office of President.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2712485
To: writer33
We’re still having this debate? We won it a long time ago here on FR. Last thing we need is some Freeper using Steve Deace, a complete ignoramus who doesn’t even understand the debate, to open his stupid fat mouth.
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