Posted on 04/08/2016 9:38:09 AM PDT by Borges
A former Auschwitz guard has died days before his trial in Germany -- dashing the hopes of survivors who wanted to see justice for their dead parents.
Ernst Tremmel, who was 93, was a guard at the notorious Nazi concentration camp during the Second World War.
He was accused of 1,075 counts of accessory to murder, covering the time he worked at the camp from November 1942 to June 1943.
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I guess if we found Hitler alive now, you would be feeling sorry for the poor old guy.
Truly an amazing woman.
TRULY amazing is God's grace at work.
That was a powerful story. She sensed the prompting of Jesus asking her to let Him borrow her hand, that she could not extend on her own. And she did.
We often don’t take it easily on earth when God steps in and offers to settle accounts through His own sacrifice. What, this person worthy of all our rage, and he skates? But no. He did not skate. He had to yield to God too, either at the pearly gates or in the lake of fire.
Isaiah 53: who has believed our message? God came to bring good news to the whole world, not just to an isolated people. It’s because it hurts our pride, that we don’t want it. Not because we can think of some real reason to disbelieve it.
Unless he believed, in which case he has been spared the trial here.
Assuming he didn’t...did you read the Scripture?
How many years after someone tortures and murders does it switch realms?
Hound them on the basis of what evidence? As you said, many were avenged upon had little to do with the brunt of the evil.
Credibility suffers as time passes.
Are you shy to furnish the subject of that partial sentence?
YOU YOU YOU are assuming he didn’t.
I have read and listened the bible through several times. Please point to what you think is germane.
Certainly at the point where credibility fades.
Which is a lying accusation; he was the poster child of free choice in this affair.
There are two terms that I continue to use in certain situations, though I rarely get a reaction anymore. There is such a dearth of knowledge of history today. The terms are:Nie wieder (Never Again) and Arbeit Macht Frei (Work Sets You Free). I use those terms to offer sharp rebukes to liberal "friends" who suffer from guilt for simply being Americans.
It's not just the ovens, though they are jarring to the sight. I particularly remember walking by a neatly landscaped area with lovely flowers, and seeing a small sign that said "the ashes of 50,000 Jews are buried here."
I don’t think that “being shot or going to a concentration camp” ever occurred. A few German soldiers did refuse to murder civilians and in those cases were transferred rather than trying to make them stand for a court-martial. At a court-martial the prosecution would have to put on paper that a German soldier refused an order to murder civilians. I read an article about this a number of years ago but unfortunately didn’t save it or have a link.
I think it was a common excuse arrest ex-SS soldiers used as a defense after the war.
Ah, come on. Don’t spoil the enthusiasm. Let the pope spread love.
You might be interested in Hans Frank's story. Here was a true monster, a man of unquestionable guilt who had a religious conversion while he was awaiting trial, apparently a sincere one. At that trial he stated, "A thousand years will pass and the guilt of Germany will still not have been erased." He went to the scaffold smiling, stating that it was an act of atonement.
So your point is well taken, but it is simply not the case that evidence is shaky or not available. It turns out to be abundant. One of the most frightening things about research into this arena is just how good the records the Nazis kept were. True, these deteriorated toward the end of the war, but during the height of the killing they were horrifyingly complete. The books I referenced in my previous posting detail this better than I ever could. It isn't light reading. Best to you.
Your rudeness doesn’t deserve a reply, Mr. “Christian,”
but from what I could find out about Mr. Tremmel, “he never broke his silence about what he did in the SS,” —said Christoph Heubner, a vice president of the International Auschwitz Committee, a nongovernmental group in Berlin.
I would think that true repentance could not remain silent.
So he would be one whose name was not found written in the book of life if he did not repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of his sins.
After WWII there were a lot of middle aged Germans who did have direct knowledge and parts in the “final solution” who were let go with minimal punishment. For example, Google the Wannsee conference and see how many of those men, who were in at the start of the holocaust who were let go with little to no punishment.
Fact was with the cold war, an awful lot of folks with dirty hands were de-Nazified, some went on to serve in the West German Government.
They are all dead now.
Now as my family had some association with the german army I can tell you about the culpability of the young medic who was 22 in 1945 and likely drafted around 1940. The way it worked as a “soldat” was you could question an order if you thought it illegal or immoral. However, if the OIC, or the NCOIC said “On my authority you are to follow my order” that meant you were not morally culpable (under the German system) for carrying out the order, the culpability was transferred to the higher authority. You had then to obey the order.
To presume that his 22 year old had any real authority in the matter of the camps is foolish, he had as much to do with running the camps as the enlisted folks that were scapegoats at Abu-grad in Iraq were a decade ago. I notice no officers were held culpable there only some enlisted shmucks who were following orders (illegal ones)
As to if he should be punished 71 years after the event is something I will leave to other folks. But it does seem to be a wee bit contradictory to have allowed so many actual NAZI members who had knowledge and a part in the Holocaust off rather lightly in 1947 to 1951, an then 65 years later try to make an example of this chap.
Ultimately only God know what is and was in his heart and will render the final judgment.
There was a family at my university, a professor and his son, a grad student TA, and only later was I told that they had come from Brazil. They had German surnames and were blond. Not Jewish either. People did wonder if they weren’t descended from Nazis. I didn’t get it at the time.
Yes she did.
You know, there were millions of stories. Each one unique in its own way. When I was in Germany, an old German man built a Grand Father Clock for me. He told me he was a German soldier (draftee) in Rommel's Afrika Korps. He said wished he was 10,000 miles away, rather than participating in the war. If he had refused to participate, it would been a quick shot to his head. Game over for him.
He said he was the happiest guy on earth, when he was captured by the US Army, and spent the rest of the war at a POW camp in Paris, Texas. He told me that he and many others, voluntarily separated themselves from the hard core Nazis.
It was his opinion, that the vast majority of German soldiers would much rather have been doing something else. I can understand that. I was in Vietnam, even though I would rather not have been there.
I’ve got mixed emotions about pursuing elderly, low-level guards and such like this. It was a horrendous thing, those camps, and I don’t blame the families for wanting anyone associated with them punished. But, the extradition and trial of individuals over 90 years old has no small possibility of killing them, all the while not really knowing if any of them were actually guilty of some atrocity or just guarding the camp out of fear for their own lives if they refused. It starts looking vengeful in some ways. As I said, I’m torn. I’d likely feel differently if someone in my family had died in those camps, so I guess it’s easy for me to say.
If those pleading that they were following orders are let off the hook, then the other argument that it happened so long ago becomes pointless because the law will apply also to the young. There need be no conscience or accountability for soldiers following orders. Is that your argument?
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