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Who needs sex to make babies? Pretty soon, humans won’t
UK Guardian ^ | April 1, 2016 | Henry Greely

Posted on 04/04/2016 6:36:38 AM PDT by C19fan

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Huxley was a prophet.
1 posted on 04/04/2016 6:36:38 AM PDT by C19fan
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oh ya.....watta nuisance ......sex....blech.....


2 posted on 04/04/2016 6:38:37 AM PDT by G Larry (ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS impose SLAVE WAGES on LEGAL Immigrants.)
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In the year 6565

You won't need no husband, won't need no wife

You'll pick your son, pick your daughter too

From the bottom of a long glass tube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic

3 posted on 04/04/2016 6:39:49 AM PDT by KC_Lion (The G.O.P. is officially in a State of Civil War. The Union is Dissolved.)
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Well I no longer participate in the endeavor(making babies that is) I can’t imagine why one would want to change the present system!!!


4 posted on 04/04/2016 6:41:26 AM PDT by ontap
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Gattaca.


5 posted on 04/04/2016 6:54:54 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Liberals are the Taliban of America, trying to tear down any symbol that they don't like.)
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Robots and VR are for sex.
Test tubes are for making babies.


6 posted on 04/04/2016 6:55:13 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I don't know what Claire Wolfe is thinking, but I know what I'm thinking.)
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Lenina Huxley?


7 posted on 04/04/2016 6:58:20 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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I wish someone would work on the other end of the process, I have itty bitty hips. Still wear girls sizes.
Not married yet but sure not looking forward to building ships in the basement. :(


8 posted on 04/04/2016 7:02:55 AM PDT by Buttons12 ( It Can't Happen Here -- Sinclair Lewis.)
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Technically, you don’t need sex now. I know two [single] women who got knocked up by “turkey basters”. Both wanted kids, but couldn’t find (or keep) husbands.


9 posted on 04/04/2016 7:04:50 AM PDT by rbg81 (Truth is stranger than fiction)
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kinda takes the fun out of it.

oh well, one way to lower the birth rate


10 posted on 04/04/2016 7:07:34 AM PDT by camle (keep an open mind and someone will fill it full of something for you)
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It isn’t building a boat in the basement that causes concern. It’s getting one through the little basement door!
My with underwent 3 cesarean section surgeries for our family! She’s a champion shipbuilder!


11 posted on 04/04/2016 7:10:56 AM PDT by cartoonistx
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*wife


12 posted on 04/04/2016 7:12:05 AM PDT by cartoonistx
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13 posted on 04/04/2016 7:17:08 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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Yep, the brave new world is around the corner. If we think traditional values have taken a beating, we ain’t seen nothing yet.

It’s been a while since I read that book, how does it end?


14 posted on 04/04/2016 7:19:29 AM PDT by aquila48
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15 posted on 04/04/2016 7:20:33 AM PDT by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either satire or opinion. Or both.)
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The “savage” commits suicide.


16 posted on 04/04/2016 7:21:03 AM PDT by C19fan
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Kanye West approves!


17 posted on 04/04/2016 7:21:14 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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A bit of a tangent here......but in Britain, if a woman cannot get pregnant the ‘normal’ way, she is allowed one child through artificial insemination. No second child paid for by the NHS. But most Britons wouldn’t consider actually paying for another try as they believe the “government’ should pay for all healthcare.......but most couldn’t afford it (with the much lower wages to pay for all that Socialism) anyway.


18 posted on 04/04/2016 7:21:55 AM PDT by originalbuckeye ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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Huxley clearly was very bright, and had great vision.

That said, the article is just talking about a variation on the in vitro fertilization we already have. There are a lot of other issues and levels of complexity the article doesn't begin to address. For example: 1. The simplest problem with the way the article is addressed is using an iPS cell from a skin cell as an ‘egg’. An iPS cell created this way from a skin cell would be ‘diploid’ (carrying two sets of chromosomes like most adult cells), not ‘haploid’ (one set) like sperm and egg do. That's just an obvious one.

2. Making iPS (induced pluripotent stem cells) from a skin cell or from some other cell isn't the same as making a human ‘egg’. The information in a cell is not just carried in the DNA sequence alone. There is also a significant amount of information carried epigenetically (e.g. in chemical modifications of the DNA), and this too is heritable.

Currently, this epigenetic information is not ‘reset’ when inducing a fully differentiated cell, like a skin cell, to a pluripotent state. This can be very important when using these cells as ‘eggs’. In addition, it has also been shown that there is often the induction of DNA mutations when making iPS cells, thus lots of considerations/concerns.

3. Yes, you can do whole genome sequencing, and this is done quite commonly these days. That said, there are ~3 billion bases in a haploid (e.g. sperm or egg) cell, and 6 billion in a diploid cell. We accumulate a significant number of DNA mutations during life, and most of these are ‘silent’ with no discerned influence on biology. Sorting out which are of no concern vs those that are a concern, and correlating those to address complex traits - like how one will perform in school etc., is very far beyond where we are right now. Also, gene editing has been around for over a decade now, and will get better, but also has issues with ‘off-target’ effects etc.

In short, the article overstates where we are. Of course, somewhere in the world there will be someone who ‘wants to be first’ and will push this way before it is ready.

19 posted on 04/04/2016 7:22:45 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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When a majority of population lives off the equivalent of 4K or less a year, no, this won’t be the norm except for the upper class.
To what degree this entrenches an upper class by ensuring they meet all definitions of the top of the meritocracy, I don’t know.


20 posted on 04/04/2016 7:22:50 AM PDT by tbw2
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