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What Trump and Sanders Get Wrong on Trade
Townhall.com ^ | April 2, 2016 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 04/02/2016 12:15:50 PM PDT by Kaslin

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To: Kaslin

Mathematically speaking, this is correct. We learn in macroeconomist that a trade deficit, which favors our trading partner, is the reciprocal of the current account surplus, which favors us. We net out evenly.

However, just because the two balances are mathematically offsetting, does not mean it is an ideal trade situation. There are benefits offsetting the disadvantages, but the costs and the benefits are experienced by different parties!

The trade deficit is harmful to the manufacturing sector that has the deficit and the capital surplus is a benifit to the banking investment sector. Since banking and investment corporations tend to be multinational, and manufacturing tends to be domestic, the trade deficit can and usually is a net loss for the local communities who lost jobs and revenues while they often don’t share in any of the benifits.


41 posted on 04/02/2016 1:04:50 PM PDT by enumerated
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To: austingirl
My point is that Trump can't figure it out and cannot do it without force.

Are you really that stupid? Tariffs funded the US government for 130 years before the income tax that Free Traitors™ like you and Cruz love so much.

More tariffs, less income tax.

And no one believes the fairly tale that Smoot - Hawley caused the Great Depression. Take your rewriting of history elsewhere.

42 posted on 04/02/2016 1:08:03 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin
If we trade our land for appliances, China will eventually own all the land and we'll have nothing but mountains of dead appliances. This is an example of "our stupidity" that Trump talks about. But fixing this will require a change in American culture, not just who's in charge.
43 posted on 04/02/2016 1:08:34 PM PDT by snarkpup (I want a government small enough that my main concern in life doesn't need to be who's running it.)
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So trade deficit are good because foreigners are using that money to buy “American” corporations? How is that good? First they told us that we would more than make up for loss of jobs with new jobs here because foreigners would buy products from our companies. Then those companies moved their manufacturing there. Now they are moving whole companies overseas. Thirty years ago we were unquestionably the driving economy in the world. Now China is neck and neck and growing three times as fast, and our working and middle classes are dying. That’s the real world results. But the GOP doesn’t care as long as the stock market goes up.


44 posted on 04/02/2016 1:14:05 PM PDT by Hugin (Conservatism without Nationalism is a fraud.)
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What he overlooks is that this country is one of the most inviting places for people abroad to invest their money. Since 2001, foreign direct investment in the United States has more than doubled. Last year, foreigners bought $11 trillion worth of stocks.
Where are the mindless idiots telling us we're trading worthless paper for material goods?
45 posted on 04/02/2016 1:14:58 PM PDT by lewislynn (Ted Cruz had 5 affairs and he's the biggest ho of them all.)
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To: snarkpup

Free Traitors™ are a cynical lot and don’t care about silly nationalist sympathies. They are stateless soulless creatures. The make Judas Iscariot look like piker.


46 posted on 04/02/2016 1:15:22 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Kaslin

Judging by posting history, it seems you’re in the tank for anyone but Trump.


47 posted on 04/02/2016 1:16:39 PM PDT by lewislynn (Ted Cruz had 5 affairs and he's the biggest ho of them all.)
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To: hiho hiho

When did Hillary move to Long Island?


48 posted on 04/02/2016 1:20:17 PM PDT by SFConservative
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To: Hugin

When all the C-level execs started worrying themselves only with return of shareholder value, the business itself as a going concern ceased to be primary. The long term health of the company, let alone the history, the community, the employees and the health of the economy all took a backseat to increasing the stock price at that moment in time. Short term thinking with no future orientation has inexorably led to decline. There is something to be said for the old patriarchy and how they ran their companies. What we have now is basically part it all out if it makes more money at present.


49 posted on 04/02/2016 1:21:06 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Kaslin
The continuing stream of money from overseas keeps the U.S. capital account perpetually in surplus:

That's an outright lie...

Trump and Sanders see trade in terms that are simple, vivid and wrong -- as a competition in which exports are victories and imports are defeats. They think we are losing, but they don't know how to keep score.

Yah right...I'll tell ya who really knows how to keep the score...The 95,000,000 million Americans who have given up looking for a job...Who writes this nonsense??? And worse, who's dumb enough to fall for it???

50 posted on 04/02/2016 1:30:40 PM PDT by Iscool (Trump will Triumph)
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To: austingirl

>> My post makes perfect sense to anyone who can grasp the concepts it presents <<

Of course. But just don’t expect that kind of “grasping” from the mercantilist fans around here. And don’t waste your time trying to educate them.


51 posted on 04/02/2016 1:36:59 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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To: lewislynn; Kaslin

>> judging by posting history, it seems you’re in the tank for anyone but Trump <<

I’d say that’s a most admirable history.


52 posted on 04/02/2016 1:38:47 PM PDT by Hawthorn
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"What he overlooks is that this country is one of the most inviting places for people abroad to invest their money."

Is it any surprise that foreign business people use the great profits that they make from unfair trade agreements, agreements that benefit foreign countries and hurt the USA, to invest in USA?

Corrupt USA trade negotiators are essentially telling foreign investors, take it (the USA), it’s yours.

53 posted on 04/02/2016 1:39:24 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: dsc
I would love to hear your plan. Is it better than Trump's or the same? Do tell.

I guess you don't approve of capitalism and think that lowering costs to make a profit is unethical and immoral-sounds a lot like Bernie.

54 posted on 04/02/2016 1:43:48 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: central_va
Are you really that stupid? Ask yourself that question -ever heard of a trade war?

Name calling and insults from a Trump supporter- another fine example.

55 posted on 04/02/2016 1:46:30 PM PDT by austingirl
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“I would love to hear your plan. Is it better than Trump’s or the same? Do tell.”

No. Figure it out for yourself. Maybe some exercise will get your little grey cells working better.

“I guess”

As expected, your guesses are as outré as your views on industry and trade.


56 posted on 04/02/2016 1:46:55 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: Hawthorn
don’t waste your time trying to educate them.

From the responses I am getting it sure does seem like a losing cause.

57 posted on 04/02/2016 1:48:09 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: dsc

You don’t have a plan and neither does Trump. No substance.


58 posted on 04/02/2016 1:49:39 PM PDT by austingirl
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To: austingirl

“You don’t have a plan and neither does Trump.”

Right. Because you are so brilliant that if there were a way, you would certainly see it before all others.


59 posted on 04/02/2016 2:01:36 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)
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To: austingirl
Are you really that stupid? Ask yourself that question -ever heard of a trade war?

We're in a trade war now. Only a stupid uniformed person would think we are not currently in a one sided tariff war with the rest of the world. Dumb.

60 posted on 04/02/2016 2:38:51 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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