Posted on 03/31/2016 8:20:36 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
In case anyone is unaware: All this talk about "1237 delegates means Trump is the nominee" is BUNK.
That so-called "rule" is a temporary rule that can be changed at the convention. Therefore, Trump is not guaranteed the nomination even if he gets 1237, or 1400, or even 2000 delegates.
They can change the rule to suit their #NeverTrump plan, and make the requirement 1 delegate more than however many Trump has.
On the O'Reilly Factor tonight, Eric Bolling confirmed this. There are 42 convention rules in the rule book. Rules #26 through #42 are Temporary Rules that are written and voted on at the convention. The rule about 1237 delegates falls under Rule 40 D & E. That means they can change the requirement to 2000 delegates if they want to.
Make no mistake: They plan to steal the election from Trump and put in their own people: Ryan, Romney, Rubio, Bush, etc. For those of you who support Cruz or Kasich, please wake up. It won't be Cruz, and it won't be Kasich.
Video at link:
The 1237 Rule Can (and will) Be Changed At The Convention
(Excerpt) Read more at video.foxnews.com ...
Apparently you haven’t been reading all the articles saying the RNC (and all #NeverTrump people) are working to ensure that Trojan Horses are put in as Trump delegates.... people who aren’t true Trump supporters... so that they can vote against Trump at the convention. There are plenty of unbound votes that are going to convention.
Trump needs to have far more than 1237 delegates by convention, if he hopes to survive the rule-making.
IT is over go look at Trump’s Facebook posts. All recent are promoting the RNC and his new logo.
Didn’t see nothing like that on his Facebook
Thanks, mouse1. His twitter doesn’t have any such thing, either.
Maybe you saw a fake Trump FB account, jipper. There are lots of fake accounts on FB and Twitter. Unless you can post a legitimate link, we’ll have to call BS.
Yes! I understand that Voice Vote with a gavel ending the question is exactly how they pulled off the 8 State Rule against the Ron Paul forces?
No.
You don’t know me, so please don’t put words in my mouth.
I believe in playing by the rules. I don’t believe in changing the rules because you don’t like the outcome, which is what the #NeverTrump camp will do.
If Trump doesn’t have 1237, then let’s brawl at the convention. I know Trump won’t win in a contested convention, so I know if he doesn’t have 1237 then it’s over for him. But I also believe if he gets 1237, then it should be him — warts and all.
If Obama could run the country with as little experience or skill as Obama had, then Trump sure as hell can.
The GOPe may think they will win if they screw Trump.
They may think they will win if Hillary is President.
However, the ballot down GOP candidates will be wiped out too.
The good, the bad and the ugly will all be tossed out.
There won’t be many GOPe’s left to cut deals with Hillary.
That is the GOP future.
The chairman indicated that the message was sent to Trump that he needed to support the nominee and keep his pledge.
The Pledge is null and void due to GOP establishment machinations. Just a few weeks ago McConnell and Ryan were meeting in secret with rich Democrats to steal the nom from the presumptive nominee. Tsk tsk. Loyalty is a two way street, FRiend. What’s good for the goose...
” I argued that Trump has no more right to relax the rule in his favor to reduce the number of delegates needed than the establishment has the moral right to raise the number of delegates to defeat Trump if he should succeed in getting 1237 delegates.”
As always you articulate your argument well...but, where I disagree with you from a foundational point of view is that Trump has had to compete against a very large crowd of candidates. Or rather, all the candidates had to compete in a very large field. Because of this the 1237 rule does not make sense logically or morally. What are we to do when we have such enthusiasm for our good people running for Presidency? Make the mark for declaring victory more difficult? That is in affect what we are doing. The delegates have been split by a larger than normal number of candidates.
I understand the rule is to reflect a “majority” of delegates, but how are delegates delegated (pun intended) to each state? Are they directly related to how many votes are cast? No. I am talking how do they decide how many delegates for each state... Do they determine the number by how many registered Republicans? No. So, how do they determine the number. Does a state which is truly Republican dominant and very likely to determine victory in November granted a bigger say than a state in which the Republican will most likely lose? I don’t think so. Where is the logic in doing it the way it is done? Is it affective or just easy? How do caucuses fit into the mix? And, what about these fluidic rule changes...are those only to be upon the whim of the ruling elite to aid them in choosing who the nominee will be?
I think the people may demand and a candidate who has dominated like Trump can demand a change of the 1237 rule without expectation that the ruling elite will use the ‘flexibility’ only to hurt the people’s choice. If we cannot expect that, then why are we Republicans? Why are we playing on a field that is filled with illusion of power to the people?
Besides, perhaps the ruling elite ought to consider that if they steal, even by their corrupt rules, our candidate they will forever fracture the party. It will be like a ghost town in November.
To be frank, this nation is an evil nation...we openly support abortion, we support the tearing off of limbs and heads of live babies to sell their body parts. We are generally of late on the wrong side in most global conflicts. We persecute Christians in favor of perversion. This government has lost it’s very moral authority to govern and they as a consequence now rule over us...we have no real representative government...they do as they will in spite of the people when they disagree with us. Trump, to us supporters offer the only real chance of restoring the Republic. Those who disagree fine...but for us who understand and believe this it means something. And many of us have no illusions about some other person who will rule over us. We understand fully and reject this government and their immoral rule. That begins at the party level and goes up and down to the various governmental levels. So, as you can see for many of us our backs are already against the wall...waiting to fight with ballots rather than bullets. I will vote Trump in November no matter about the Republican party. And may God restore or damn this government.
More likely The GOPe will pick someone other than Trump or Cruz,
knowing full well Hillary will win, thus the GOPe’s will win too.
However, GOP ballot down candidates will be wiped out.
That’s democracy. It’s such a pain.
To have the majority of the vote of the people going into the Convention. Just.. ick!
Who needs THAT!
Never worry, Cruz will “fix” it. Those National delegates get four votes and the people just got ONE, in their primary.
Wake up.
Heck, TRUMP could win as a write-in, on the REPUBLICAN ticket, and still kick the Establishment out. :)
“I didn’t say change the rules. They should respect the voters and give it to the person won the most...”
But that’s not the rules. It goes to the candidate that gets the majority, not the most.
“If the RNC wants to play stupid, Trump can run as 3rd party and still win in November.”
Not sure that the Trumpster Party can get on enough state ballots. But, hey, there is always a run against Hillary in 2020.
And if nobody gets a majority they should respect the voters and give it to the one with the most delegates, almost certainly Trump. Anything else is a big FU to everyone who voted for him. The powers that run the GOP have already thrown a half a billion dollars at trashing the frontrunner. I for one won’t forget.
<<”Then they will be attempting to stop us. And... that’s not gonna happen. We’re done.” >>
THAT is the strange thing. Cruzaders think this is about TRUMP! It is about WE THE PEOPLE! We have voted. TRUMP has the people’s vote.
Only “delegates” get one, two, three more votes than we do, at Convention. Add their primary vote and delegates can have up to FOUR more votes than the people.
THAT is why there is a number threshold, of 1237. The GOPE can “fix” the number, “fix” the rules and then make up the gap at convention.
TRUMP is teaching the people their Civics, 101. He has exposed ALL the stop gaps that can prevent citizen candidates and true outsiders from ever making it all the way, to shake the system in the DC power brokering game.
The rule that the nominee have a majority of the delegates goes back to 1856, even when there were many candidates - no reason to change that now.
I am talking how do they decide how many delegates for each state...
Each state gets 3 delegates per congressional district, plus 3 for the state party officials. States then get additional delegates for various other factors - if the state has a GOP governor or GOP legislature, they get extra delegates; if the state has voted GOP in the last presidential elections, they get extra delegates, etc. So yes, a dominant GOP state get more influence relative to its size than a state won by the Dems on a regular basis.
I think the people may demand and a candidate who has dominated like Trump can demand a change of the 1237 rule without expectation that the ruling elite will use the ‘flexibility’ only to hurt the people’s choice.
There is no way they will reduce the number of delegates needed for the nomination to less than a majority, nor should they. If Trump gets to the convention with less than a majority, then we get to see if he really is a great dealmaker or not.
YES
“And if nobody gets a majority they should respect the voters and give it to the one with the most delegates...”
Ok. But that would require a rule change.
Interesting point you made there — essentially about participation, opposed to admiration.
No, if no one gets a majority, they go until someone does get a majority. That is the way it has been done since 1856. It is not uncommon for the person having the most delegates (but not a majority) going into the convention to fail to win the nomination. If Trump doesn't have a majority of the delegates going in, then he has to try to make deals to win over enough to get the nomination. That is the process. No reason we should change it for Trump.
“There is no way they will reduce the number of delegates needed for the nomination to less than a majority, nor should they. If Trump gets to the convention with less than a majority, then we get to see if he really is a great dealmaker or not.”
I like a man of principal who will see his party burn down rather than change the rules to be fair to the voters...oh, except you do accept that the ruling elite may change any rule they like prior to the convention right?
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