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Ted Cruz wins citizenship case in Pennsylvania Supreme Court
WFMZ-TV ^ | March 31, 2016 | The Associated Press and Staff

Posted on 03/31/2016 11:39:57 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

HARRISBURG, Pa. - Texas U.S. Sen. Ted Cruz has won a case in Pennsylvania's highest court that had challenged his eligibility to appear on the state's GOP primary ballot and serve as president.

The state Supreme Court order Thursday upheld a lower-court judge's decision to dismiss the case.

A Pittsburgh resident and registered Republican voter, Carmon Elliott, had argued that Cruz isn't eligible to run for president or to appear on Pennsylvania's April 26 primary ballot because he was born in Canada....

(Excerpt) Read more at wfmz.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: cruz; idiotbirther; noteligible; pennsylvania; tedcruz
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To: John Valentine

Canadian law says otherwise:

http://www.pier21.ca/research/immigration-history/canadian-citizenship-act-1947

Chapter 15, Section 5A is very clear: “A person born after the commencement of this Act(the Canadian Citizenship Act of 1947) is a natural born Canadian citizen-—”

Cruz was born in Calgary Canada and thus was born a natural born Canadian citizen.

Because of the Immigration and Naturalization Act of 1952, passed by the US Congress, Cruz’s mother could impart American citizenship to him because and only because she met certain statutory requirements for age and residency time in the Us prior to Cruz’s birth.

Thus, Cruz is an American citizen by statute, and not natural born.

Judge Pellegrini’s statement that any citizen is a natural born citizen has no statutory nor historical precedent. This is not even asserted in Wong, 1898.

Well, judges have erred before.


121 posted on 03/31/2016 1:34:04 PM PDT by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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To: MamaTexan

The Founders in the first Congress in 1790 passed a law whch stated “the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond Sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born Citizens: provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States.”

The trial court’s ruling is consistent with the Original Intent of the Founders:
“Having extensively reviewed all the articles cited in this opinion, as well as many others, this Court holds, consistent with the common law precedent and statutory history, that a “natural born citizen” includes any person who is a United States citizen from birth.”

Ted Cruz was a United States Citizen from birth. Here’s the current law of the land: 8 U.S.C. § 1401
The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years”


122 posted on 03/31/2016 1:34:36 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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To: centurion316
In your opinion, but your opinion is worth a bucket of spit. So far, not a single court has ruled in favor of your position. I predict that the trend will continue.

And these same courts found a right to kill the unborn in the Constitution. But wait until Hillry or whomever the liberals nominate... Reap the whirlwind.

123 posted on 03/31/2016 1:35:13 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: katana
It was a ruling that defined (or redefined if you will for anyone insisting on trying to read 18th century minds in favor of their hero) natural born citizen as someone whose parent is an American citizen at the time of their birth. Location of that birth is not relevant. Not a huge surprise for me since two out of my three kids were born overseas and the local U.S. Embassy had no problem issuing birth certificates and passports for their first trip back home. This decision can be appealed. There are higher courts. But the chances a court would overturn it are very slim.

Quite right and evidence exists among the writings of the founders, the discussions surrounding the drafting of the Constitution, actions of the 1st Congress, etc. that this was the intent all along, albeit not unanimous. Of course, the Constitution left the power to deal with the details to the Congress. Reinforced by the 14th Amendment, very few argue with your point. The few being the Birthers, but they don't count.

124 posted on 03/31/2016 1:35:48 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: orinoco
The original definition of Natural Born Citizen was a person born to two American Citizens.

No, that was invented by the Birthers and adopted by you, but it was never true. It is true that at one time, descent of citizenship to children had to pass through the Father, but no longer and certainly not since the 14th Amendment.

125 posted on 03/31/2016 1:38:00 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Stentor
It usually takes some egregious error on the part of the lower court, such as reversing an established legal principle, for a higher court to make a reversal. The Constitution doesn't really define "Natural Born" but subsequent laws and court decisions beginning in 1790 and up to the present have tended to interpret the phrase to be inclusive of children born to citizens, irrespective of physical location or the foreign laws governing the same.

It's no coincidence that Donald Trump and a few of his supporters threw this issue out to the press like meat to a pack of hounds only when Cruz began to move up in the Iowa polls. It's a distraction from the issues and from Trump's highly mixed political history. But with this decision they may have ironically done Cruz a favor by moving the question to an early resolution. Maybe there's a chance that horse will rise and run again, and y'all can keep up the beating, but she's smelling awfully ripe to me.

126 posted on 03/31/2016 1:38:05 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinion ... I've been wrong before, but not today)
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To: GilGil
Interesting color choice, but I don't think that's the colors of the new owners of the country.

Some days, this song plays in my head and I like to sing along...

Swear allegiance to the flag
Whatever flag they offer
Never hint at what you really feel
Teach the children quietly
For some day sons and daughters
Will rise up and fight while we stood still

Can you hear me, can you hear me running?
Can you hear me running, can you hear me calling you?

A lot has changed since that song was released 1985. Dangerous Ground, indeed.
127 posted on 03/31/2016 1:38:25 PM PDT by GBA (Here in the matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: centurion316
-- The Pennsylvania Supreme Court denied the appeal ... --

Not exactly, as you would know if you carefully read the contents of the order.

... the Order of the Commonwealth Court is hereby AFFIRMED.
Victor Williams's pro se Notice to Intervene as Appellant is DENIED.
Appellant's Application for Oral Argument is DENIED.

128 posted on 03/31/2016 1:38:32 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Just mythoughts

“Not under ‘original intent’!!!! Real conservatives do not subvert the Constitution.”

How come Heritage never weighed in? Since many on this site at one time said Levin for SCOTUS and assumed he was one of the most scholarly when it came to the constitution, what did he say?


129 posted on 03/31/2016 1:40:16 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (United we stand, divided we fall. I think the establishment has divided us enough.)
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To: jospehm20
I do not see how Cruz can be US NBC when he was in fact born a NBC Canadian

The fact that the Canadians granted him citizenship is not relevant to what this country decided to do. We are not governed by Canadian law.

130 posted on 03/31/2016 1:41:15 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: centurion316

You obviously don’t understand how.the judicial system works. That is the only decision the lower.court could make.to assure that it gets to.the SCOTUS and be consistent with constitution. . Lower courts cannot rule.on cases that are not based on caselaw.but only based on the intent of the constitution. They can only rule on case law Only the SCOTUS can make those rulings. This is a once in a hundred year case not your normal caselaw.lawyer decision. The very best of our constitutional.scholars will be presenting amicus brief and vying to present their side to.the court to go down in the legal history books..
All previous cases have been based on standing not merit.
Its an here we go decision.....
Its a shame it will not be videoed for future law scholars


131 posted on 03/31/2016 1:41:21 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Trump makes me smile!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Exactly


132 posted on 03/31/2016 1:42:58 PM PDT by Rome2000 (SMASH THE CPUSA-SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS-CLOSE ALL MOSQUES)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Choose?

99% of the women

will choose the one on the left.

the other 1% are blind.


133 posted on 03/31/2016 1:44:28 PM PDT by Beautiful_Gracious_Skies
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To: katana
-- ... subsequent laws and court decisions beginning in 1790 and up to the present have tended to interpret the phrase to be inclusive of children born to citizens, irrespective of physical location ... --

That's false, unless "naturalized" and "natural born" can apply to a single person. There are many court precedents on the subject of citizenship to those born abroad, and NONE of them find that person to be natural born; 100% of them find the person to be naturalized.

The bulk of the academic literature either overlooks these precedents, or cherry picks phrases from them in order to support the desired outcome.

Now, you are the one making the initial contention, and I'll retract my position if you can cite ONE case in support of your contention. Just ONE.

134 posted on 03/31/2016 1:44:37 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: hoosiermama
-- That is the only decision the lower.court could make.to assure that it gets to.the SCOTUS and be consistent with constitution. --

I disagree. The PA Supreme could have said courts have the power to decide the issue (agreeing with Pellegrini), and then reversing Pellegrini on any of the arguments raised by Elliott or the amici. This way, Cruz could appeal to SCOTUS, and SCOTUS could, as it will with Elliott's petition, whether or not to take the case. Either way, SCOTUS is given an opportunity to act on the outcome of the PA Supreme Court decision.

135 posted on 03/31/2016 1:47:46 PM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Tennessee Nana
http://crooksandliars.com/2015/02/president-obama-descended-14-revolutionary

Having a loyalist ancestor is not the end of the world. Having no ancestor is the Ted Cruz solution...

136 posted on 03/31/2016 1:48:39 PM PDT by x_plus_one
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To: Nero Germanicus
The Founders in the first Congress in 1790 passed a law

Repealed in 1795

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includes any person who is a United States citizen from birth.”

Why? A natural born citizen is necessarily a citizen of the United States, but a citizen of the United States is NOT necessarily a natural born citizen.

The court essentially attempts to include naturalized citizens in the natural born category, thus negating the purpose of the law itself. No branch of any government authority has the ability to negate a Constitutional clause.

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Here’s the current law of the land: 8 U.S.C. § 1401

Codes and statues are administrative, or positive law. They cannot define natural born.

If they could, the term natural born would actually appear in them, but they don't.

137 posted on 03/31/2016 1:49:06 PM PDT by MamaTexan (I am a person as created by the Law of Nature, not a person as created by the laws of Man.)
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To: Robert DeLong
If you believe Pellegrini's ruling of what a natural born citizen is, then we are doomed and the Constitution as the Framers created it is a dead document.

Hyperbole. The issue is in the hands of the voter, it's not a threat to the Constitution, Of course, we have real threats to the Constitution, mostly related to power of the Executive and the Federal Government over land, eminent domain, usurpation of state powers, judicial legislative overreach, etc., etc.

Remember, this all started by those who wanted the courts to save us from Obama. It didn't work and we got the President that the voters deserved.

138 posted on 03/31/2016 1:49:19 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: orinoco
Seems as though someone born in Saudi Arabia to an American citizen who never sets foot on American soil can qualify to run for the United States Presidency. Even though a person with this background would owe their allegiance to their home country Saudi Arabia.

For what it's worth, I suspect there are plenty of NBCs born to liberals who already owe their allegience to places like Saudi Arabia (or, in the case of Bernie S, mother Russia).

139 posted on 03/31/2016 1:50:27 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines (Obama loves America the way OJ loved Nicole)
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To: Cboldt

That is not a FOIA request and, from what you linked: “A Genealogy Record Request can provide an information photocopy of a naturalization record only.”

If anyone can prove to a court that Ted Cruz was naturalized, they should do so.


140 posted on 03/31/2016 1:50:36 PM PDT by Nero Germanicus
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