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To: rarestia
Protecting a phone? Are you hearing yourself? They were protecting their intellectual property! You can’t expect any security in your digital transactions if there are backdoors present, even if the backdoor was put there for a “benevolent” entity such as the government. SOMEONE will eventually find it and exploit it.

Usage of the word "Backdoor" is a deliberate lie created by Apple. Do not use the word "Backdoor." You are simply abetting a lie.

The FBI did not ask for a "back door." The FBI did not ask for any sort of door. The FBI agreed to let Apple inc keep the phone and to keep the software used to unlock the phone, and only Apple inc would have control of it.

Apple started a LYING SCREAM FEST and ginned up all their cultish followers to help spread the lie. They have been so successful at spreading the lie that even people who should know better are now repeating it.

Strong arming a company into giving up its keys is tantamount to extortion.

Another example of how Apple's LIE was so successful. Nobody was asking for keys. Apple would keep all keys, but Apple did everything they could to make certain that nobody understood this, because if people understood that Apple would retain complete custody of everything, they wouldn't have been able to gin up the fake outrage.

30 posted on 03/31/2016 11:06:46 AM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

You lie. The government asked for a tool to defeat the number of attempt limiter. They also asked that it specifically also be able to enter numerous codes without having to physically enter them into the keyboard. The FBI said they wanted to be able to rapidly enter passcodes via wireless methods.

This is all in their original affidavit. They indeed asked for a backdoor.


43 posted on 03/31/2016 11:26:21 AM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Wow. So much facepalm in your post. Seriously, don’t post when you are even remotely unsure, because you’re talking to people who do this for a living.

A “backdoor” is exactly what they wanted. They attempted to open the phone 10 times, and after the 10th, the data was removed from device. This is done by scrambling the EEPROM on the mainboard. The only way to unscramble that would be to reverse engineer the encryption algorithm or to provide the hash and salt used to generate the algorithm, thereby providing a way to recover the data. This isn’t a lie, this is cold hard fact.

The FBI was explicitly asking for Apple to provide the keys to their algorithm. Why is this pertinent? Apple doesn’t have a KEY to open your phone, they have the algorithm used to generate that key. That means that they could generate a key very similar to the one your phone uses, but the chances of duplicating the key to the bit is a quantum-level impossibility.

Unlike Google and Microsoft, Apple does not retain ownership rights of your data (read your EULA) on the phone itself. If the data is stored in their cloud (i.e. iTunes/iCloud), free game. Otherwise, your device is as secure as you want to make it, which is EXACTLY how it should be.


72 posted on 03/31/2016 4:04:57 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: DiogenesLamp; rarestia
Another example of how Apple's LIE was so successful. Nobody was asking for keys. Apple would keep all keys, but Apple did everything they could to make certain that nobody understood this, because if people understood that Apple would retain complete custody of everything, they wouldn't have been able to gin up the fake outrage.

The liar here is you. The Court order was quite specific that Apple would have to supply to the FBI any software it developed. READ THE COURT ORDER using ENGLISH, not DiogenesLampese. It was quite explicit. You've been reading what you've wanted into that very simple language for over a month.

Verbatim from Magistrate Judge Sheri Pym's Court Order, written for her by the FBI's legal counsel:

“. . . providing the FBI with a signed iPhone Software file, recovery bundle or other Software image File (“SIF”) that can be loaded onto the SUBJECT DEVICE. The SIF will load and run from Random Access Memory (“RAM”) and will not modify the i/os on the actual phone, the user data partition or system partition on the devices’s flash memory. . . The SIF will be loaded via Device Firmware Upgrade (“DFU”) mode, recovery mode or other applicable mode available to the FBI.”

From the dictionary:

Root word for "providing" is PROVIDE (verb)

1: the foundation will provide funds: supply, give, issue, furnish, come up with, dispense, bestow, impart, produce, yield, bring forth, bear, deliver, donate, contribute, pledge, advance, spare, part with, allocate, distribute, allot, put up; informal fork out, lay out, ante up, pony up. ANTONYMS: refuse, withhold.

2: she was provided with enough tools: equip, furnish, issue, supply, outfit; fit out, rig out, arm, provision; informal fix up. ANTONYMS: deprive.

3: he had to provide for his family: feed, nurture, nourish; support, maintain, keep, sustain, provide sustenance for, fend for, finance, endow. ANTONYMS: neglect.

4: the test may provide the answer: make available, present, offer, afford, give, add, bring, yield, impart.

There is no other reading of that word that makes any sense other than that Apple would have to give the software to the FBI. . . no matter how much you sing, dance, and use a ventriloquist dummy to put words into the mouth of the Court order, it just isn't there to say what you claim it says! Again, as I've said before, Diogenes would be a whirling dervish in his grave with your antics.

85 posted on 03/31/2016 5:24:45 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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