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FBI breaks into San Bernardino gunman's iPhone without Apple's help, ending court case
Fox News ^ | March 28, 2016

Posted on 03/28/2016 3:36:30 PM PDT by McGruff

The U.S. Justice Department announced Monday it has successfully accessed data stored on the iPhone that belonged to the San Bernardino gunman without Apple's help, ending the court case against the tech company.

The surprise development effectively ends a pitched court battle between Apple and the Obama administration.

The government told a federal court Monday, without any details, that it accessed data on gunman Syed Farook's iPhone and no longer requires Apple's assistance.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: apple; bhodoj; bravosierra; counterterrorism; fbi; fuapple; israel; jihadinamerica; kabuki; sanbernardino
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To: Grampa Dave

Ahhh, the old, “if we only knew how hard they really work to protect us” joke.
They are too busy arming Al Qeida and scrubbing anti-terror training materials of anything suggesting islam is to blame to do anything like that.

They are pretty mucha bunch of incompetent goofballs that do a keystone cop routine after every attack. But that’s all a front I guess. They are actually this razor sharp coordinated Jack Bauer thing. lol


81 posted on 03/28/2016 4:36:51 PM PDT by DesertRhino ("I want those feeble minded asses overthrown,,,)
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To: onyx
Looks like they've leaked the iPhone cracker's Id.

Now where's Jack?

82 posted on 03/28/2016 4:38:05 PM PDT by McGruff (Ted. You got some esplainin to do.)
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To: McGruff
So, Cook called a source at the NYT, who contacted a low level source at the FBI, who contacted a tech company and what you got?

Everyone's IPhone has now been compromised.

Hey, I could be wrong.

5.56mm

83 posted on 03/28/2016 4:41:38 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: Chauncey Gardiner

Nope, think NSA.


84 posted on 03/28/2016 4:46:34 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ColdOne
I figure a big lawsuit that made plenty of noise was the price Apple wanted to crack the phone when the FBI first took it to them.

The phone records are worth far less now than when the news the phone was locked came out. It's also possible someone cracked the phone right away but it's in the best interests of both Apple and the government to make sure no one figures that out.

Either way, Apple got what they wanted, the FBI got what they wanted, the rubes got a dog and pony show, and 95% of the rubes are still in the dark with regard to the fact that the killer had a government job in spite of all the warning signs that should have kept him from being allowed into the country in the first place.

IOW, par for the course.

85 posted on 03/28/2016 4:46:44 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory !!)
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To: M Kehoe

Nah, Mossad has been breaking into muzzie phones for years. That’s who cracked this case.


86 posted on 03/28/2016 4:53:38 PM PDT by batterycommander
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To: McGruff

Good and bad news...

Good: because now we can eventually find some helpful information on that terrorist’s iPhone.

BAD:
But unfortunately what a Pyrrhic Victory*, what a very very very high price to pay !

Because now it means that the US Federal system has yet another way to invade our private lives.
You might remember that our founding fathers put forward some amendments right? One of them : the right to own a weapon to defend your family against any foreign AND domestic threats ? I hope you are still supporting that one, or?
We also inherited from our founding fathers the right to live free and the right to have privacy... But I see many here dont support that idea any more. Are some of you becoming socialists?

Letting the Big Federal Government take away your last liberties is not a good thing, because one day that Government could be hijacked by ill-minded people.

I hope you realize that when hackers from the islamic state sooner or later will manage to get their hands on that iPhone-unblocking-code from the FBI computers, then ALL our iPhones will be managed by the islamists!

Without knowingly understanding it yet, we have just given the terrorists a future possibility that could jeopardize our every day lives... via our own iPhones !

God Grace, I hope some of you wake up here...

Texasman


87 posted on 03/28/2016 4:56:38 PM PDT by Texasman2016 (What a Pyrrhic Victory !)
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To: plain talk
Maybe they got the password from the terrorist. Perhaps they put the dude in a chair and did the James Bond ball torture — “the question is.. will you yield in time?”

The only way to get that would be with the use of an Ouija Board. They're both deader than door nails. . . however, what is especially dead about door nails escapes me.

88 posted on 03/28/2016 4:57:04 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Sacajaweau; Retain Mike
Dear Apple owners....If you’re a terrorist...get a damn throw away.

These particular terrorists did get damn throw away phones. This was one of their work phones, one in which the FBI already knew every phone call, message, and email sent or received on the phone and that they were all work related.

89 posted on 03/28/2016 5:01:26 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Sacajaweau
Apple is not the winner.

Three people should have gone into a room and extracted the info.

After this extra bit of work...the govt owns apple.

No, they should not have and could not have done what the FBI order required under the laws in place in this country.

90 posted on 03/28/2016 5:05:20 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: P-Marlowe
I guess Apple’s phones are not all that secure after all.

It has only taken them almost four months to get into a 3 ½ year old iPhone with a security model that has been superseded by a much stronger design.

91 posted on 03/28/2016 5:07:21 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Lil Flower
People have been jail breaking Apple phones. Big deal.

Jail breaking Apple phones is not anywhere the same thing. That is being done by people who already have access to the phone, not by anyone who doesn't have access. Big difference.

92 posted on 03/28/2016 5:09:22 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: marktwain
Getting more jihadis to use iphones might have been the primary purpose.

That's what I was thinking.

93 posted on 03/28/2016 5:13:58 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Drago
Yep, there is also a “timer” function built in (in a addition to “ten tries & erase” function) that the FBI wanted disabled...after each passcode attempt it adds time so that after several attempts it becomes impractical to attempt a “brute force”. Also, I am pretty sure the San Bernardino Co. iPhone in question was a 5c...I believe that the 6 & 6s have stronger “anti-brute force” built into the hardware whereas the “anti-brute force”in the 5c is software based?

No, it also was hardware based, but just not as hardened as the later Secure Element. The A6 processor had a specialized Encryption Engine (EE) processor inside it that handled all of this that was as secure as they could make it four years ago when it was designed. They included in there the Unique Device ID and also an unreadable EEPROM where the one-way HASH would be stored which was constructed by an algorithm inside the EE that each time the passcode recalculates the one-way HASH and then a comparison is made to give a go-no go response for unlocking the device. Thus the passcode itself is undiscoverable by any outside probing.

As I posted in an earlier thread on theoretical ways to hack the iPhone, if the a potential hacker could safely read the data inside the EE, recovering both the one-way HASH and the algorithm that creates it without erasing the EEPROM in the process, it should be possible to make a matrix of all possible one-way hash results from all 10,000 passcodes possible from a four digit numeric input. All the hacker would then have to do is match the stored HASH with one of the 10,000 hashes, see which passcode generated it, and Voilá, you have found the four digit passcode for the iPhone. Enter it, and the hacker has successfully unlocked the iPhone!

The key to this is "SAFELY" reading the EEPROM and the algorithm. I suspect the Israeli company has found a way to safely read those data on the A6's Encryption Engine without damaging those volatile data in the process. They have taken this long to perfect it to the point they are wiling to attempt it on the subject device, which they only can have one stab at.

94 posted on 03/28/2016 5:24:36 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Swordmaker

They hired a third party contract hacker. He probably busted in in a couple of hours. They’ve been trying to get Apple to do it for months. Apple refused because they wanted people to think it couldn’t be done. They knew it could. Now we all know it can.


95 posted on 03/28/2016 5:31:32 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (Freep mail me if you want to be on my Fingerstyle Acoustic Guitar Ping list.)
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To: Eddie01

“They are lying.”

yes.

I half expect that FBI will now announce that the phone had maps and plans for the Brussels attack, and if only Apple had agreed when first asked, the attack would have been stopped. I don’t really think that’s the case but I feel in a dark cynical mood this afternoon.


96 posted on 03/28/2016 5:33:02 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the security hardware explanation, PING! Am thinking of going with an alpha-numeric passcode....even tho. it is a PITA when I reboot the phone (I just use TouchID for normal unlocks).


97 posted on 03/28/2016 5:35:10 PM PDT by Drago
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To: P-Marlowe

Or... maybe they just pretend to have cracked the iPhone in order to not lose face?

We will never know...


98 posted on 03/28/2016 5:38:04 PM PDT by Texasman2016 (What a Pyrrhic Victory !)
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To: sphinx
The FBI can now hack IPhones at will.

Well dang. Now my iPhone can be opened -and FBI the will see my calls to those same 8 women cruz was diddlin

99 posted on 03/28/2016 5:40:38 PM PDT by Mr Apple (Muslim rape slavery comes to Canada https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGUqf2ddnpU)
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To: Mr Apple

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100 posted on 03/28/2016 5:41:54 PM PDT by Mr Apple (Muslim rape slavery comes to Canada https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGUqf2ddnpU)
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