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BELGIAN SOLDIERS DEPLOYED TO FIGHT TERRORISTS HAD NO BULLETS IN RIFLES
Front Page Magazine ^ | 27 March 2016 | Daniel Greenfield

Posted on 03/27/2016 6:39:17 PM PDT by Fractal Trader

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To: T-Bird45

If you wanted the BM gang, all you had to do is go to the K Town army laundry and ask for them.


61 posted on 03/27/2016 8:01:33 PM PDT by Domangart
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To: VerySadAmerican

why on earth would you deploy the NG and then not give them ammo?

It is madness.


62 posted on 03/27/2016 8:07:00 PM PDT by manc (Marriage =1 man + 1 woman,when they say marriage equality then they should support polygamy)
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To: gaijin

During Beirut, on TV I saw Marine patrols leaving the airport and going into injun country with no mags in their rifles and M60 gunners with no belts.

During the Miami riots in the late 70s some Guard troopers had their rifles stolen by gang bangers who DID have ammo.


63 posted on 03/27/2016 8:08:16 PM PDT by Rockpile (GOP legislators-----caviar eating surrender monkeys.)
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To: sparklite2

Jerks.


64 posted on 03/27/2016 8:12:15 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: VerySadAmerican

A hair clip would look silly in a rifle, or loading clips. They’d probably want magazines though heh.


65 posted on 03/27/2016 8:28:16 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: headstamp 2

Even if we contain the terror, the Muslims will simply not assimilate and will outbreed the indigenous Europeans. The invasion will ultimately succeed with opposition.


66 posted on 03/27/2016 8:32:42 PM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (Ted Cruz was the man!)
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To: 2banana; Squantos; g'nad; osagebowman; Ramius
True - but NG soldiers bring their own.

True, but only if you fear death more than court-martial. We were given five rounds in Basic when we guarded the main ammo supply point, but that was because nuclear weapons were stored in some of the bunkers. Even then, it would take an officer to order "lock and load", although a senior NCO could order it, if he actually saw his troops taking fire.

See troops, or police, walking around with an empty magazine well, and no pouches for more magazines, you know it is just for show, to make someone "feel safer". That includes those in charge, who see their own armed troops as more of a threat to their future careers than to the disarmed civilians they are supposed to be protecting.

The pogues prefer armed rent-a-cops to protect the powerful over regular American military, who are woefully undertrained, especially in eras when the military cannot afford ammo, like now. With my permit, which will probably become extinct in the next administration, I carry enough concealed handgun and extra ammo to either get me out of danger, or to provide me with a more capable weapon that some enemy no longer needs. Even then, it takes me about 3000 rounds a year, paid out of my own pocket, to keep my skills current with anything I might come across, whether it's just punching holes in paper, or using the same type of computerized live-fire ranges available to SOME police and troops.

67 posted on 03/27/2016 8:34:03 PM PDT by 300winmag (Whatever CAN go wrong has already happened. We just don't know about it yet.)
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To: Bulwyf

Well it could have been a Garand loaded with a clip or a Mauser rifle loaded with a stripper clip, or an 1896 Mauser pistol or a Steyr-Hahn tho both the Mauser and Steyr had late models which used magazines.

The Italian Carcano which got Kennedy used an enbloc clip which worked similarly to the Garand except it held less.


68 posted on 03/27/2016 8:35:39 PM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8:38-39, For I am persuaded.)
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To: Fractal Trader

“Europe” will soon exist only in the former Warsaw Pact countries, where there has been little or no muslim immigration.

Want to see Europe, enjoy European culture, food, drink etc? Want to not get blown up, shot, or most likely, robbed or harassed by Muslims? Then visit Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic or the Baltic States.


69 posted on 03/27/2016 8:38:18 PM PDT by Dagnabitt (Islamic Immigration is Treason.)
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To: yarddog

Most of those are magazines fed by clips, I see your point though.

Any modern weapon that military or police will be using will be magazine or belt fed though.

First day of battle school I had to learn the difference, I’m just passing it on heh.


70 posted on 03/27/2016 8:40:52 PM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: T-Bird45; All

Here is an article about guards and ammunition:

http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2015/02/five-rounds-as-us-army-guard.html


71 posted on 03/27/2016 8:53:04 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: onona; g'nad; Ramius; osagebowman; Squantos
why not just issue them billy clubs ?

The Michigan NG did just that after Kent State. Not billy clubs, but riot batons. Even in simulated "skins vs shirts" practice out of sight behind the armory, the brass saw how friendly skirmishing could quickly turn deadly with guys who were inspired to get the best performance out of their sticks.

The brass went with smaller and smaller sticks, which just brought the skirmishers closer to the punks, where it was easier to conceal a low blow to help convince punks it was time to go somewhere else.

As "designated marksman", I either carried the radio for the OIC in the center of the formation, along with a "hot" shotgun with bayonet if I had to intervene at some point in the line where my buddies were in a spot of trouble. As sniper, I had my sniper rifle, some "off the books" match-grade ammo, and my spotter and his spotter scope. We were nice and comfy in some strategic position, where we watched for bad guys equipped with more than just 2x4s and football helmets. An incendiary or explosive device, which the bad guys were already warned about, either got it detonated in their hand, or dropped with a round somewhere along their arm.

Actual firearms not only got the original punk dropped, but the same for anybody that tried to pick it up.

It's always fun and games until you run into someone who is much more skilled, and serous about things than you are.

72 posted on 03/27/2016 9:09:29 PM PDT by 300winmag (Whatever CAN go wrong has already happened. We just don't know about it yet.)
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To: Fractal Trader
I can remember a better time for the Belgian armed forces - http://www.historynet.com/congo-crisis-operation-dragon-rouge.htm

One small excerpt:

After an initial volley, the rebels temporarily ceased firing. Marcel Debuisson, a Belgian engineer, heard them say, ‘Now we’ll turn them over and finish off the ones left alive.’ Debuisson prayed for a miracle and his prayers were answered. ‘To my amazement,’ he told news reporters afterward, ‘It happened. Round the corner of the square walked a single Belgian paratrooper, submachine gun on his hip.’ The rebels saw the Belgian red beret as well; immediately they turned and fled.What the Belgians found in Sergeant Kitele Avenue was not a pretty sight. About 30 whites had been killed, while dozens of others were wounded. Two Americans were among the slain: Dr. Carlson and Phyliss Rine, a missionary from Ohio. The sight of the bloodshed left the Belgians angered, as would be the white mercenaries who came into the city a few hours later, spearheading a ground assault from the east. For the remainder of the afternoon, it was open season on Simbas in Stanleyville as the rebels paid in blood for their folly.

73 posted on 03/27/2016 9:18:27 PM PDT by RightGeek (FUBO and the donkey you rode in on)
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To: T-Bird45
The bit about no ammo issued for guard duty even under terror threat goes back to my time in West Germany in the late 70s

There in the mid 60s and no ammo then either. Even without ammo, we were a tough lot though. We never lost an engagement with the Viet Cong.

74 posted on 03/27/2016 9:57:18 PM PDT by etcb
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To: T-Bird45
The bit about no ammo issued for guard duty even under terror threat goes back to my time in West Germany in the late 70s and the Red Brigade’s random bombings.

Those bombings occurred in the early seventies, 1972 I believe.

75 posted on 03/28/2016 12:07:52 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Bulwyf

I think they’d look silly with a rifle and a Ladies Home Journal or Cosmopolitan magazine, too. Playboy magazine, not so much.

Back in my day in military training they were called clips.


76 posted on 03/28/2016 12:14:01 AM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Cruz voters: Wake up! Trump is our only chance of stopping the gopE. If not now, never!)
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To: Fractal Trader; gaijin; SunkenCiv

Sadat was protected by four layers of security and eight bodyguards, and the army parade should have been safe due to ammunition-seizure rules.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Anwar_Sadat

Perhaps he would have been more safe without the ammunition-seizure rules. The bad guys do not follow such rules.


77 posted on 03/28/2016 2:20:21 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: Fractal Trader

The Barney Fife Brigade....


78 posted on 03/28/2016 4:10:00 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Fractal Trader

At our Top Secret installation, we had live ammo and rifles in 1968 Northern Germany. Later, in Miami, we had loaded shotguns during the 1970s “McDuffy Riots”.


79 posted on 03/28/2016 7:13:50 AM PDT by Does so (Europeans had better start "overstaying their visas" in the USA. ==8-O)
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To: Fractal Trader
Like the Queen's Guard, I guess.....

Not exclusively. From the French Foreign Legion's marching song Le Boudin:

[Approximately, a celebration because there's tasty boudin sausage in the messhall today]

Tiens, voilà du boudin, voilà du boudin, voilà du boudin
Pour les Alsaciens, les Suisses et les Lorrains.
Pour les Belges y en a plus,
Pour les Belges y en a plus, Ce sont des tireurs au cul!

[[Here you are, some blood sausage, some blood sausage, some blood sausage
For the Alsatians, the Swiss, and the guys from Lorraine-
For the Belgians, there is none,
For the Belgians, there is none,
They're just lazy shirkers.]]

The reference is a matter of Legion history [hit the link above] and datews back to the early days of the US Civil War, when the Legion was sent to Mexico,

80 posted on 03/28/2016 11:11:35 AM PDT by archy (Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears, they'll kill you a little, and eat you.)
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