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To: Swordmaker

Three months past the crime is only because of Apple’s refusal to comply. Like someone who kills their parents asking the court for mercy because they are an orphan.

We are dealing with murderers here, dead murderers at that who have no privacy rights anyway yet you defend them? But you choose to attack me instead because of your indefensible position.

LE needs the info to prevent possible future crimes, they have probable cause and have gone to court, ducks are in order, we will see what happens.


61 posted on 03/13/2016 6:17:17 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: Kenny500c; palmer; roadcat; DesertRhino; Lurker
Three months past the crime is only because of Apple’s refusal to comply. Like someone who kills their parents asking the court for mercy because they are an orphan.

We are dealing with murderers here, dead murderers at that who have no privacy rights anyway yet you defend them? But you choose to attack me instead because of your indefensible position.

LE needs the info to prevent possible future crimes, they have probable cause and have gone to court, ducks are in order, we will see what happens.

You've more than proved my contention you are not a lawyer. You bluster and keep obfuscating the issues and never address the very issues we bring up, nor do you have a grasp of the facts in this case at all. You do not exhibit a lawyer's mindset at all. Not one bit.

We are not talking at all about late and certainly not lamented Farouk's and Malik's privacy rights one even tiny little bit, but rather the rights of the users of the over ONE BILLION iOS devices around the world who are relying on the absolute security of those devices to do banking, use ApplePay, keep financial records, do online purchases with credit and debit cards all with complete confidence, security, and knowledge that their data and identities are safely locked behind an unbreakable wall. Some of those users are living in countries where their own governments would KILL them because of the mere religious opinions they may have expressed privately in the records on their phones or the secure iMessaging system! That is the privacy we are concerned about.

You ignore the completely LEGAL defenses to the court order we have raised and say our position is indefensible, but a Federal Magistrate Judge in New York just ruled in Apple's favor in a case using an All Writs Act Court Order to unlock an iPhone in which Apple argued on those very points of law. The Judge agreed it was UNLAWFUL for the court to use the All Writs Act, or for the FBI to even request the order due to CALEA, and found the court (his own) had erred in issuing an unconstitutional court order, on separation of powers grounds. Seeing as how you may be rusty on law, that's a case law precedent!

64 posted on 03/13/2016 11:20:02 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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To: Kenny500c
Three months past the crime is only because of Apple’s refusal to comply. Like someone who kills their parents asking the court for mercy because they are an orphan.

No, you are just pulling made-up "facturds" out of your rear now. The FBI went to court on a Friday afternoon, February 19th, with their proposed court order in hand and got Federal Magistrate Judge Sheri Pym to sign off on it without Apple's knowledge. . . while Apple was still working with the authorities. They held a Press Conference to announce the Court Order!

The San Bernardino terrorist attack took place 78 days before the FBI bothered to get that court order. Had they thought there was such a "time is of the essence" goldurn RUSH to get into it, they would not have waited more than 2 ½ months to do it, or waited until late Friday, just before a weekend, when no action could be taken either!

Judge Pym accepted the FBI's proposed language, thinking it of such no consequence, it was signed by her clerk with a rubber stamp!

65 posted on 03/13/2016 11:37:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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