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Why Apple is right to resist the FBI
TechCrunch ^ | March 13, 2016 | by John Eden

Posted on 03/13/2016 1:21:37 PM PDT by Swordmaker

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1 posted on 03/13/2016 1:21:37 PM PDT by Swordmaker
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2 posted on 03/13/2016 1:24:03 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft insult free zone... but if the insults to Mac users continue..)
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this is all subterfuge. apple already helped the fbi.


3 posted on 03/13/2016 1:26:34 PM PDT by JohnBrowdie (http://forum.stink-eye.net)
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To: Swordmaker

Lots of words here to obfuscate a simple fact - Apple is ignoring a court order which they will find out is never a good idea. Give LE what they need. There is no doubt whatsoever a crime has been committed, get real.


4 posted on 03/13/2016 1:28:17 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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But to force a company to provide a back door whenever the government wants, needs to be resisted. The government spies on its own citizens all the time and without a warrant. And the head of the NSA lied to congress about it.

Sorry, the government has destroyed any trust that the people had left in it.

5 posted on 03/13/2016 1:36:16 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon (Light is fading to shadow, and casting its shroud over all we have known...)
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To: Kenny500c
What the FBI wants doesn't exist: the comparable case would be a safe manufacturer who created a particularly hard enclosure that cannot be drilled using existing technology and then compelling them to invent a drill that can defeat their own design.

It seems to me that in both cases that even if the FBI had the legal authority to do so, it would have to pay for the technology to be developed and also pay for the damage to the company's commercial reputation incumbent upon defeating its own technology, i.e., several billion dollars in Apple's case.

6 posted on 03/13/2016 1:36:25 PM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens")
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To: Swordmaker
2016: Apple surrenders encryption key to FBI:

February 2017: President Hillary stores encryption key on home-brew White House email server...

Hill-arity ensues...


7 posted on 03/13/2016 1:50:05 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Swordmaker

Fortunately Apple gets to fight this rather than some company with fewer resources. Apple has smarter lawyers than the government and more money.


8 posted on 03/13/2016 2:15:53 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Kenny500c
a simple fact

Not so simple.

Apple is being ordered to turn over something that does not exist!

9 posted on 03/13/2016 2:17:33 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: ColdSteelTalon

Wrong, there is a lawful warrant that Apple does not want to obey. You try that sometime and see what happens.


10 posted on 03/13/2016 2:18:23 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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Apple is ignoring a court order

The are obviously not ignoring it, they are fighting it. A court order with the same tech. issue and the exact same legal argument (AWA) was just overturned in another case.

11 posted on 03/13/2016 2:22:10 PM PDT by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet over to foreign enemies)
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To: Kenny500c

The author quickly conflates Judicial courts with Executive agencies...

It’s very silly.


12 posted on 03/13/2016 2:23:00 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: Kenny500c
there is a lawful warrant that Apple does not want to obey

Nope, there is no applicable warrant, hence the need for a court order.

13 posted on 03/13/2016 2:23:28 PM PDT by palmer (Net "neutrality" = Obama turning the internet over to foreign enemies)
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To: Swordmaker

Stay strong, Apple.


14 posted on 03/13/2016 2:25:03 PM PDT by goodwithagun (March 3, 2016: The date FReepers justified the "goodness" of Planned Parenthood.)
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To: Poison Pill

That’s an important point whichever side one is on.
The issue will receive full and competent review in the courts- which is the Branch most affected.

After that the congress can and must write laws on encryption.


15 posted on 03/13/2016 2:28:55 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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To: pierrem15

Put Cook in jail and we will see how long it takes to drill. You are siding with criminals, why?


16 posted on 03/13/2016 2:29:53 PM PDT by Kenny500c
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To: mrsmith
That’s an important point whichever side one is on.

For my money, this is THE most important issue of this eletion cycle and the candidates are mostly ignoring it. The right of citizens to use stong data encryption is the 2nd amemdment issue for the 21st. century. Right now we have access to locks that the government can't open. It should stay that way.

17 posted on 03/13/2016 2:39:01 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Kenny500c

Do you support the 2nd amendment? If so, why?


18 posted on 03/13/2016 2:39:50 PM PDT by Poison Pill
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To: Swordmaker; Kenny500c; ColdSteelTalon; pierrem15; Poison Pill

This seems a case of violating the Fourth Amendment that guarantees Americans will be free of unreasonable searches and seizure. The solution opens all owners of the phone to a search and that would be unreasonable.

The court order made sense in the days of Perry Mason when law enforcement was given permission to enter a particular residence and open a particular safe. In this case the software solution is equivalent to having the keys to open every house and safe in the country. That result is unacceptable to me even if I trusted the NSA, IRS, HLS, CIA, etc.


19 posted on 03/13/2016 2:44:41 PM PDT by Retain Mike
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To: Poison Pill

Strong encryption is coming to everyone- and there’s a need for it.

But I don’t think you’d like living in a world of ineffective courts that can’t compel evidence.
When everyone takes the law into their own hands justice is whatever the strongest say.

There are several ways to keep encryption from destroying the Fourth Amendment.


20 posted on 03/13/2016 2:49:01 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat/RINO Party!)
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