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This is exactly why Donald Trump is so popular. He is absolutely right, our governments are run by a bunch of idiots.
1 posted on 03/06/2016 1:42:21 PM PST by NYFreeper
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2 posted on 03/06/2016 1:44:18 PM PST by DoughtyOne (Facing Trump nomination inevitability, folks are now openly trying to help Hillary destroy him.)
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To: NYFreeper

Sounds like it is time for some firehouse flu until the idiot in charge changes this decision. A little public outrage might help the cause, too.


4 posted on 03/06/2016 1:46:56 PM PST by Truth29
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To: NYFreeper

You can’t make this stuff up!


5 posted on 03/06/2016 1:47:52 PM PST by House Atreides (CRUZ or lose!)
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To: NYFreeper
These guys are volunteers. They have the satisfaction of knowing what they did was right under the circumstances.

They also know by now that no good deed goes unpunished.

6 posted on 03/06/2016 1:48:25 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: NYFreeper

If he thinks government is a bunch of idiots why does he support Medicare, every other social program, ans want single pay socialized medicine.


7 posted on 03/06/2016 1:49:13 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: NYFreeper

The girl must be white, heterosexual and, thus, a Republican. Therefor, a clear-cut crime.


8 posted on 03/06/2016 1:50:12 PM PST by Darteaus94025 (Can't have a Liberal without a Lie)
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To: NYFreeper
Captain James Kelley and Sgt. Virgil Bloom of the Falmouth Volunteer Fire Department in Fredericksburg were the Heroes.
10 posted on 03/06/2016 1:52:02 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: NYFreeper

I’ve got no problem with using a non- transport vehicle in a true life or death. But...most of my kids have had seizure disorders and nearly every kids has a fever related seizure. Parents just don’t know it cause it happens at night.

The general treatment for a seizure is to let it run it’s course. A seizure concludes them the patient goes into a catatonic state. They are so exhausted from the seizure that they cannot wake up. Scary as can be but perfectly natural.

I’ve had kids seize indoors, outdoors and even at a hospital. Treatment is the same. Do nothing and let it run.

Of course there are exceptions but in reading the story, this little girl is in the situation my kids were in. She was examined and released.

The firefighters inclination was correct but their first aid training is lackng. They should appeal based on that.


11 posted on 03/06/2016 1:55:13 PM PST by cyclotic (Liberalism is what smart looks like to stupid people.)
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To: NYFreeper
Kelley explained to Fox 5 DC Saturday he told the driver to turn the fire engine on because the child was in desperate need of medical care and the nearest ambulance was about 10 to 15 minutes away. He said when he asked where the nearest medic was, he received vague responses.
They have an ambulance, and EMTs

I'm guessing the one ambulance was out on call at the time. It was the Captain's call to take the child, and he may have lacked necessary EMT training, but on the surface it looks like he made the right decision. Hopefully after an investigation he and the Sergeant will be cleared.

(full disclosure: my daughter is a Paramedic and a volunteer EMT)

15 posted on 03/06/2016 2:34:07 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Rubio: All the slipperiness of Bill Clinton, with none of the smarts.)
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To: NYFreeper
Sometimes you just gotta do what's right. My first job after retiring from the Army was as a county jailer. I left my control booth one night to assist another jailer getting a pretty bad beat down. Got 3 days off without pay, turned to 5 when I told the SGT if it happened again I'd do the same thing.

I went fishing.

21 posted on 03/06/2016 3:04:24 PM PST by Feckless (The US Gubbmint / This Tagline CENSORED by FR \ IrOnic, ain't it?)
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To: NYFreeper

I clicked to find the usual story of government run amok. Found a Trump campaign ad. Yup, it’s Silly Season.


23 posted on 03/06/2016 3:13:25 PM PST by 1rudeboy
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To: NYFreeper

This may have been an overreaction, but as other people have written, suspending these firefighters might also have been the right thing to do under the circumstances.

There is so much rush to judgment these days when local incidents get social media and/or MSM attention (including by the media itself) that it seems a lot more stepping back, being skeptical and reserving judgment until the situation can be examined more closely is in order.


24 posted on 03/06/2016 3:27:10 PM PST by Faith Presses On (The MSM: Overzealous prosecutors of Christians/conservatives & defense attorneys of liberals)
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To: NYFreeper

I don’t see how who is President had any bearing on this. I certainly don’t want the potus controlling things to this level. Any president.


26 posted on 03/06/2016 3:34:35 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: NYFreeper

So much of this BS is because of lawsuits.

Fine!

Play the game!

Sue the city for suspending the firemen saying the guilt it has caused the parents has caused psychological damage and they can no longer work or function due to the stress and guilt it has caused.

Sue the heck out of them. Fight stupidity with stupidity and only withdraw the suit when they withdraw the punishment.


30 posted on 03/06/2016 4:01:17 PM PST by icwhatudo (Low taxes and less spending in Sodom and Gomorrah is not my idea of a conservative victory)
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To: NYFreeper

This is all about liability....End of story.


31 posted on 03/06/2016 4:15:35 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: NYFreeper

I went back and re-read the fox news article several times then fought my way through all the local readers comments. One thing that is not mentioned is why was the fire service on-scene at a medical call? If the two firefighters were on station or out on the road in the truck and heard the medical call and decided to respond then what they were doing is called freelancing. If they were dispatched for a medical assist then ok, but the article doesn’t say one way or the other.

I live in a semi-rural area and sometimes when there is a serious medical emergency and the ETA for EMS is extended, then we will get called to do a medical assist. Our county 911 dispatch knows that if they dispatch fire they will get at least a few EMTs to respond. I probably respond to about 5 or 6 of these per year and since we are volunteer firefighters we go directly to the scene in our personal vehicles unless the firehouse is between our homes and the scene. This is the only time we respond directly to the scene, all other times we respond to the station. We would take the firetruck on the call simply to have and AED available if needed.

So I arrive on scene in my car and I pull out O2 and a BLS bag from the trunk. Usually someone with a radio shows up and communicates with the 911 center to give and take updates but we don’t transport patients in our cars ever. Unless the firefighter is also an EMT they do little or no patient care.

I suspect there is way more going on here than what is in the article. If I take a fire truck out to give a newb practice driving and a fire district 2 towns over gets called out for a dwelling fire with confirmed entrapment and I decide to respond without being dispatched then I’m freelancing. Our insurance will not cover any claims that may result and if hurt our workman’s comp will not pay.

If fire wasn’t dispatched to this medical call and there had been a structure fire or MVA while the firetruck was transporting a medical patient to the hospital and fire was delayed because of it then a suspension would be mild compared to what would have happened to these two firefighters.


32 posted on 03/06/2016 4:18:09 PM PST by fatboy
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To: NYFreeper

This is what America is all about


37 posted on 03/06/2016 5:17:42 PM PST by ronnie raygun
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To: NYFreeper

They do this all the time in England. Punish those who save lives.


40 posted on 03/06/2016 6:50:32 PM PST by minnesota_bound
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It was a communications issue. The Firemen {Captain is also a DC Fireman}. They did the right thing for what information they were given upon two request for ambulance ETA and location. Here is a followup. The child was a bit more serious than the first page shows http://www.fox5dc.com/news/local-news/101039391-story He had what he thought was a life or death situation and acted on it. Maybe he needs to be his county’s Emergency Services Director.


51 posted on 03/06/2016 11:11:17 PM PST by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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