Posted on 03/04/2016 9:55:37 AM PST by King of Florida
A case challenging the eligibility of Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio to run for president will be heard in Broward County court at 11 a.m. Friday.
The crux of the case: the meaning of the phrase "natural born citizen" and how it applies to the two Republican senators. Rubio was born in Miami in 1971 to Cuban immigrants who became citizens a few years later. Cruz was born in Canada to a Cuban-born father and American mother, who moved to Texas when Cruz was four.
"These two candidates are naturalized U.S. citizens, or at the very least, simply fail to comply with the common law Supreme Court established definition of natural born citizen," wrote Michael Voeltz in his court complaint.
Voeltz, a Broward Republican and inventory manager at a car dealership who is representing himself, wants the candidates’ names withdrawn from the Florida March 15 primary ballot.
(Excerpt) Read more at miamiherald.com ...
I’m sorry it hurts so many feelings that natural born citizen is an exclusionary term meaning one can only be a US citizen and nothing else, born here of citizen parents.
Naturally a US citizen because one cannot be anything else.
Barry Soetoro/Barack Hussein Obama should be proof enough of the wisdom of the founders when they tried to prevent him from being President by requiring someone who could only be a US citizen and nothing else.
Born here of citizen parents.
Naturally a US citizen because there is no other possibility.
One cannot be anything else and also be a natural born citizen.
Obama told us he was born a British Subject.
Who believes Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Jay, Monroe, Madison, etc. would have found him to be a natural born citizen?
Rubio and Cruz think they should get away with it because Barry Soetoro/Barack Hussein Obama got away with it.
Usurpation Day, January 20, 2009, happened with the complete cooperation of both parties.
They want the Constitution changed without the hassle of amending the Constitution.
Confuse people about the clear meaning of a three word phrase and voila, every anchor baby and Winston Chrurchill is eligible.
The bench was the reason the GOP went along with the fig leaf resolution for McCain that was used by the Democrats as cover for Obama.
Jindal, Rubio, Haley and Cruz were all up and comers and the future of the party and ineligible.
But did we realize that he would be defending himself in many lawsuits that make him look like the ENRON bunch?
Agreed.
Without a doubt since the suit has been dragging on for 5 years or more.
You do know the founder of Free Republic said that Cruz is eligible and an American citizen? Cruz has been vetted and an Illinois Judge threw an attempt to keep him off the ballots out. Yes, he is eligible to run.
It never hurts my feelings to see another demonstrate his own foolishness. In fact it tickles my funny bone.
The fact is that your definition of a Natural Born Citizen is false, inaccurate, and would not have been recognized by the Framers.
In fact that only definition that the Framers would have found broad agreement on is the one based on Vattel's 'Law of Nations', which would go something like this:
“A Natural Born Citizen is one who, due to the particular and unique circumstances of his or her birth, is naturally a part of the society and community into which he or she is born; a natural born citizen thereof.”
If I were a betting man, my guess is the judge will rule similarly to New Hampshire and Illinois.
See here:
I prefer a case going to the Supreme Court to settle this issue at the national level.
Dismissed for lack of standing to sue. That’s my bet. Any takers?
It doesn't hurt. It's just puzzling that the definition you give isn't defined anywhere.
They might be natural born citizens somewhere, but not in America, and Rubio isn’t even a citizen.
This is a preview of what would happen continuously in all 50 states should either become the nominee, I think.
Whether warranted or not - and let’s be honest that there are well-reasoned and impassioned people on every side of the issue - the lawfare would become the story of the election.
Did that understanding include the concept that if one were "naturally a part of the society and community into which he or she is born," that he or she was naturally not a part of any other society or community?
Otherwise, what is the "particular and unique circumstance" that allows multiple societies to claim one as their natural own?
-PJ
Well, if these arguments are going to get traction anywhere, a Broward County, FL courtroom is probably it. Think back to 2000 hanging chad recount...photo of a bugeyed guy staring at a ballot 2 inches in front of his face with his glasses perched on his head...that’s Broward County.
I’m not taking that bet.
Since everyone who was a citizen at the time of adoption is dead we can remove the grandfather clause wording. We are left with “No Person except a natural born Citizen [...] shall be eligible to the Office of President;”
Why does the Constitution speak of “citizens” and separately of “natural born citizens”? Why is the word “natural” inserted? It is a matter of allegiance.
A person can be a “citizen” if they were citizens or subjects in some other country first but have come here and met the naturalization requirements. Also, if one is the offspring of a citizen and a non- citizen, then one is a US citizen. However, in both these cases it can be argued that the person might choose allegiance to their former country or to the country of the foreign-born parent or at least the allegiance might be considered divided. That is, there is no natural allegiance of the offspring to one or the other parent’s country. It is this divided or alienated allegiance that the Constitutional provision is designed to prohibit.
If, however, both of one’s parents are themselves US citizens at the time of one's birth, then one is a “citizen” as well as a “natural born citizen”. The “natural born citizen” is one who at birth has no natural allegiance to any other country and the Framers felt could be trusted to be loyal to the US and not act as a foreign agent. In short, a natural born citizen is one who cannot be argued to be anything but; there is no possible argument that he might be a citizen elsewhere. [footnote: Also, in their time, the rules of royal succession held sway throught much of the world and the Founders wished to forstall any potential claims by the crowned heads of Europe or their scions to sovereignty in the US.]
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The founder of FR is certainly entitled to his opinion; but it is only an opinion. What does “natural” mean to you?
I mean, Ted's dad was both a Cuban citizen and Canadian citizen at his birth, while his mother was a US citizen when get had him in Canada. Ted's a Natural Born Citizen in three countries, now.
Marco was born to two Cubans who did not have US citizenship. That seems to most definitely make him an NBC, right?
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