Posted on 03/03/2016 9:11:03 AM PST by eastforker
Trump is not a community organizer nor is he a libertarian economist employed by a think thank; he has some experience in how the economy really works.
YES! Libertarian platform is totally open borders for a “free flow of goods and people”.
SUCKS.
That is not what Trump is saying. Our imports from China in 2015 totaled $482 Billion. He and the “trade deficit” folks call this a $500 billion LOSS. How utterly false and misleading.
Again, the issue is the unfriendly American business environment and weak American competitiveness caused by the skyrocketing costs of doing business due to GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE like taxes, minimum wage, regulation, and unions. Address THAT and business will WANT to return/stay because of cost benefits.
Let the voluntary cooperation of the market economy free of government interference work. Don’t layer more government interference upon that which is the root cause to begin with.
This explains why Cruz and Romney are tight. Among other things. Lame Cherry can be very strange but as of late, she has been cogent and does good research.
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-stuff-that-little-romneys-are-made.html
The $100 dollars I spend for groceries is NOT a $100 loss. That is deceptive and totally misleading.
I agree with you 100%. The free traitors are disciples of some strange globalist economic cult group.
He definitely is. Read the lame cherry article I posted above to Nita Nupress.
Like the rest he is running for VP at this point so no since he is in second he would be stupid to get out. Trump will get enough delegates.
Oops, here’s a link to an interesting article by the strange lame cherry, explains the money beyind Cruz, Romney and others. Dire and important reading.
http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2016/03/the-stuff-that-little-romneys-are-made.html
What? I never said the $100 you spend for groceries is a loss. Did you even read what I wrote?
Protectionism has NEVER worked and does not address the root causes of the REAL issues which are the unfriendly American business environment and weak American competitiveness caused by the skyrocketing costs of doing business due to GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE like taxes, minimum wage, regulation, and unions. Address THAT and business will WANT to return/stay because of cost benefits.
Let the voluntary cooperation of the market economy free of government interference work. All protectionism and tariffs do is layer more government interference upon that which is the root cause to begin with. Useless and counter productive.
Dang when are people around here going to get that the government is NOT their friend but freedom IS their friend. This is site is Free Republic isn’t it? Supposedly “conservatives” right? Since when did so many conservatives get so confused to think the government is their friend and freedom is their enemy?
Sadness.
For a long, long time, I was an adamant free-trader....
IMO, part of the problem is that we let countries like China get away with targeting and taking out industries in the US. We do not aggressively enough pursue intellectual property rights. (I have considerable direct experience with that one!) And so on.
Plus, while I certainly agree that our own Gov’t is a huge part of the problem (regulations, etc.), countries that are considerably more Socialist, regulated, etc. (eg. Germany) are beating our pants off too. I just bought top line (for them) General snow tires (they really are terrific tires for the modest price) and where are they made? Germany! Higher value at modest cost TIRES from Germany? How the heck does that happen? This is far from the only example...
Further, if I buy groceries, almost all that money stays in my country, and circulates around. If my money goes to China, my neighbor may be out of a job, and if so cannot afford MY product.
Let’s say 10 million people in the US are out of jobs due to manufacturing going overseas, and ripple effects (I think that’s probably a very low figure). I’ll guess they would earn $50,000 per year if employed here. (Probably low, too.) That’s $500 billion dollars “not happening.”
Or, use a current example with a few modifications: Let’s say that for whatever reason, US oil production drops 50%, but is made up for by increased worldwide production, so prices stay stable. What does this do to the US economy? In particular what does it do when those oil production workers cannot find good jobs (or simply displace others in almost-as-good jobs)?
The value-received idea is good as far as it goes, but it is overly simple and does not account for other effects. It assumes that if some overseas company is good at producing widget A at low cost, we can always come up with widget X or service Z, to export (and not have immediately stolen!), to compensate. And it assumes displaced workers will find some other equivalent (in terms of overall cost of living) employment. For most of America’s history, those things were true. Unfortunately, they are true no longer.
You can’t do anything about what other countries do and all raising tariffs do is penalize the America consumer which is like shooting yourself in the foot. If other countries want to shoot themselves in the foot that’s up to them, doesn’t mean we have to.
All we can and should control is that within our own borders. If you get that the issue is the unfriendly American business environment and weak American competitiveness caused by the skyrocketing costs of doing business and that the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT is the root cause of the issue, you’ve come a long way to understanding how to solve the problem (get the feds OUT!!!).
Excuse me. The subject here is what Trump said, that we lose $500 billion loss to China every year. We paid China close to $500 billion on exchange for goods in 2015. That certainly is NOT a $500 billion loss. It was misleading and, really, deceptive.
Agreed with the last part of that, but, industrially, we have been seriously damaged, in relation to others. Have you ever been to a major cold-forged steel parts plant in China? They are freaking (as in awesome) unbelievable...
That’s not to say we can’t do it in at least some areas of manufacturing. As I’ve posted before, Subaru in Indiana is going great guns. If Ford can’t do the same, then let ‘em slowly die & somebody else in the US take their place. We do have import restrictions on cars from other countries, so dissuading Ford from moving production intended for import back into the US is not exactly a new idea, tho’ it might dent NAFTA.
Also, there are industries in the US that we need to be healthy if we ever get into a war of attrition with China, and some of those industries nearly no longer exist in the US. Sure, we’re ok for taking pot shots at ME dictators or whatever. But, a protracted war with China? We would be in so much trouble...
The engagement of buyers and sellers for their own self interest on the open, free market works to the extent our government doesn’t interfere. Buyers will ALWAYS look for the best quality at the lowest price. Sellers on the competitive market are ALWAYS driven to offer the highest quality for the lowest price to gain market share. That is how the world goes ‘round and how the free market brings high standards of living.
The only reason it works less these days is because of government interference.
Unfortunately, in some areas the Chinese have learned to make very good products at low prices. There are a LOT of American and Euro engineers and production engineers working in China now - not because they particularly want to, but because it is where they can get hired.
These products are not the norm, now, but, the Chinese generally are not stupid...
You know what? That's it in a nutshell. If Ted Cruz was who he claims to be, he would NEVER climb up in a basket with Willard Romney, the ultimate, consumate Establishment Elitist. He would temporarily put aside ambitions for President and back the anti-Establishment guy, even if he hates him.
If you assume for a minute that my previous suspicions are correct -- that Cruz has been working with the Establishment all along, working as a Placeholder -- then it's not hard to figure out where he's hoping it will go. Cruz, Rubio, & Kasich get enough delegates to deny Trump the 1st convention ballot, then Cruz hopes to make a VP deal with Romney: "My delegates are yours if I'm your VP." (I don't know the math behind this. Would that work?!)
Then Romney-The-Elitist could "show proper humility" by picking "The True Conservative," Ted Cruz, to be his running mate. They could trick millions of people like me and you to do what we did for Sarah Palin -- hold our noses and vote for VP Cruz.
The perfect plan. If true, I'm glad they're having to work so hard to make it work. Thank you, God for Donald Trump.
And even if none of that is true, you still go back to what CottonBall said:
"Now, he is showing his establishment roots. A nonestablishment conservative would not side with Romney." Case Closed.
Make your choice and live with it, Ted. Donald Trump has spent the last 9 months flushing out the RINOs. Are you one of them? Because we need to know NOW. You managed to hide behind Donald's coattails for months, pretending to be aligned with him. Why should I trust you now?
Thanks for the Lame Cherry link, little jeremiah. I've been seeing that name a few places; I'll check it out.
If Ted does not want to be part of the establishment then tonight he must condemn Romney and how the establishment has done their dirty tricks.
He also should not repeat any of the attacks the establishment has done, that includes the mafia crap or taxes.
I didn’t see y’all had already figured this stuff ou and were talking about it. You may be interesting in reading 215 and 277. :-)
I'm so glad to hear (see!) you say that. Many of the Cruz people are very close-minded, so I love talking to sane people. ;-)
Likewise, if Trump attacks any of them unprovoked, I'll be very disappointed. Take up for himself, yes. But not be the first one to attack. He needs to be the Uniter he's claiming he can be.
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