The GOP Convention, Rule 40, the Magic 8

Free Republic ^ | 27 February 2016 | BnG

[BlueNgold]

The topic of Rule 40 for the convention has come up a few times over the last several months, and I feel this rule is misunderstood. The rule in question in the one requiring 8 majority wins for a candidate to have their name entered into nomination. I call it the "Magic 8" rule.

Below please find my attempt to explain the rule simply, and also include some analysis of where the race stands now in terms of this requirement.

The critical language of Rule 40:
A candidate shall demonstrate the support of a majority of the delegates from each of eight (8) or more states before their name may be entered into nomination.

As we can see, the majority in question is delegates, not popular vote.

So let’s analyze:
Iowa, 30 delegates, Cruz winner, allotted 8, not a qualifying state.
New Hampshire, 23 delegates, Trump winner, allotted 11, not a qualifying state.
South Carolina, 50 delegates, Trump winner, allotted 50, SC is a qualifying win for Trump.
Nevada, 30 delegates, Trump winner, allotted 14, not a qualifying state.

Summary: Thus far Trump has 1 of the 8 required majority delegations. Cruz has 0 of 8. The three non-winners of course have 0 qualifying state delegations.

[jjotto]

The Convention Rules Committee can make changes, subject to approval by the convention as a whole.

[Vermont Lt]

What you did not write is that rules committe meets the week before the convention and they will change the rules to their liking. The rule you discuss was put in place all they way back in 2012 to keep Ron Paul’s name out of nomination.

The beauty of the “party” is that they can make up the rules that they want. If you don’t think so, just wait until Hillary is indicted. You will see the DNC do cartwheels.

[Personal Responsibility]

Just another example of how big, centralized plans can have unintended consequences.

[DaveA37]

If the RNC can change the rules once, they can and more than likely will change them when it suits their needs.

Who in their right mind trusts those bastards we have elected? No wonder Trump is doing so well in this circus called an election.

[Hawthorn]

>> I read 4 territories like Guam and Puerto Rico are included in that 8 state count. <<

There are 57 “state-like” delegations for the Dhimmis. But the GOP may have only 56. Dunno.

Anyway, here’s the DNC’s list —

1. the lower 48 states = 48 delegations

2. Hawaii and Alaska = 2 delegations

3. Am. Samoa, Puerto Rico, Virgin Islands, Guam, N. Marianas = 5 delegations

4. District of Columbia = 1 delegation

5. Americans Abroad = 1 delegation

Grand Total = 57

[BlueNgold]

I am reading NV as:
14T, 6Cz, 7R, 1K, 2Ca

For a total of 30.

[BlueNgold]

Thanks for the ping

[jjotto]

Once the convention is underway, and somewhat before, the Convention Rules Committee takes precedence. Until then, the RNC can indeed to mount a suicide mission with unwarranted rule changes.

The important idea here is that rank-and-file GOP voters have allowed the RNC to bully them by not taking part in local GOP meetings that choose officers and platform proposals.

People who spend time and money for when the SHTF apparently won’t spend a few dozen hours a year preventing that from happening. As if a few minutes a decade in a voting booth could end in restrained government!

[BlueNgold]

Link to the full set of rules for anyone interested...

https://cdn.gop.com/docs/2012_RULES_Adopted.pdf

[TomGuy]

 

Date	State/	Calculated	Type	Allocation	Cumulative
	territory	delegates			Total
					1237 to Win
February 1, 2016	Iowa	30	Closed caucus	prop	30
February 9, 2016	New Hampshire	23	Modified primary	prop	53
February 20, 2016	South Carolina	50	Open primary	w-t-all	103
February 23, 2016	Nevada	30	Closed caucus	prop	133
March 1, 2016	Alabama	50	Open primary	hyb	183
	Alaska	28	Closed caucus	prop	211
	Arkansas	40	Open primary	hyb	251
	Georgia	76	Modified primary	hyb	327
	Massachusetts	42	Modified primary	prop	369
	Minnesota	38	Open caucus	prop	407
	Oklahoma	43	Closed primary	hyb	450
	Tennessee	58	Open primary	hyb	508
	Texas	155	Open primary	hyb	663
	Vermont	16	Open primary	hyb	679
	Virginia	49	Open primary	prop	728
	Wyoming	29	Closed caucus	unbound	757
March 5, 2016	Maine	23	Closed caucus		780
	Kansas	40	Closed caucus	prop	820
	Kentucky	45	Closed caucus	prop	865
	Louisiana	46	Closed primary	prop	911
March 8, 2016	Hawaii	19	Closed caucus	prop	930
	Idaho	32	Closed primary	hyb	962
	Mississippi	39	Open primary	prop	1001
	Michigan	59	Closed primary	prop	1060
March 12, 2016	District of Columbia	19	Closed caucus	hyb	1079
	Guam	9	Closed caucus		1088
March 13, 2016	Puerto Rico	23	Open primary		1111
March 15, 2016	Ohio	66	Modified primary	w-t-all	1177
	Florida	99	Closed primary	w-t-all	1276
	Illinois	69	Open primary	w-t-all	1345
	Missouri	52	Modified caucus	w-t-all	1397
	North Carolina	72	Modified primary	prop	1469
March 22, 2016	Arizona	58	Closed primary	prop	1527
	Utah	40	Modified primary	hyb	1567
April 5, 2016	Wisconsin	42	Open primary	w-t-all	1609
April 19, 2016	New York	95	Closed primary	hyb	1704
April 26, 2016	Connecticut	28	Closed primary	hyb	1732
	Delaware	16	Closed primary	w-t-all	1748
	Maryland	38	Closed primary	w-t-all	1786
	Pennsylvania	71	Closed primary	w-t-all	1857
	Rhode Island	19	Modified primary	prop	1876
May 3, 2016	Indiana	57	Open primary	w-t-all	1933
May 10, 2016	Nebraska	36	Semi-closed primary	w-t-all	1969
	West Virginia	34	Modified primary	hyb	2003
May 17, 2016	Oregon	28	Closed primary	prop	2031
May 24, 2016	Washington	44	Closed primary	prop	2075
June 7, 2016	California	172	Closed primary	w-t-all	2247
	Montana	27	Closed caucus	w-t-all	2274
	New Jersey	51	Modified primary	w-t-all	2325
	New Mexico	24	Closed primary	prop	2349
	South Dakota	29	Closed primary	w-t-all	2378
TBA	North Dakota	28	Closed caucus
TBA	Colorado	37	Closed caucus
TBA	American Samoa	9	Open caucus
TBA	Northern Marianas	9	Closed caucus	w-t-all
TBA	Virgin Islands	9	Closed caucus	w-t-all

 

prop = proportional

hyb = hybrid, a mixture of proportional and winner take most

w-t-all = winner take all

 

[TomGuy]

RE: 29 of 30 Nevada delegates.

It depends on which source you look at. They do not all report the same numbers, for some reason.

According to thegreenpapers.com, NV delegates are:

Trump 14
Rubio 7
Cruz 6
Carson 2
Kasich 1

[scrabblehack]

Is this not symbolic?

Delegates may vote for anyone they wish (unless legally bound to vote for someone).

The last time it was an issue I think, was 1976 Democrat. Mo Udall had his name placed in nomination, then released his delegates.

The chairwoman first ruled that Mo had withdrawn, then after some boos from the Udall delegates, agreed that Udall’s name had been placed in nomination.

So far as I know, it is possible to secure the nomination (receive a majority vote of delegates) without having your name placed in nomination.

[scrabblehack]

I suppose if you do not have 8 delegations then you don’t get a nominating speech and you don’t get a seconding speech.

[vette6387]

You’re right. my eyes must be failing. I have family in politics in LV, I am going to ask one of them.

[scooby321]

If Trump wins in a Landslide and they steal the Election

That means the Voters vote was stolen.

The party of stupid thinks the people who voted got Trump will be ok with it?

The Democrats will have the Souse, Senate and Presidency

[Hugin]

I assume the presumptive nominee gets his delegates to affirm they will vote for his pick of running mate, and turns that into the secretary.

[Biggirl]

I do think that Cruz will be done as well as Rubio by the time the convention rolls around.

[Biggirl]

....And BIG revolt on their hands.

[DannyTN]

Post 51 cites a source that has Carson at 2 instead of 1.

[Oatka]

(No I didn’t mention Marco in this discussion. He has yet to win any state, and isn’t leading anywhere that I can find, so his path to 8 looks all but impossible.)

Perhaps the Gang of Eight killed the Rule of Eight for Rubio.